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  •  The diary has some misleading info (2+ / 0-)
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    But overall I think it has a fair point.

    Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

    by MrAnon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 06:54:23 PM PST

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    •  help me correct it (9+ / 0-)

      what misleading info?

      I simply do not believe that three governments are working together (US, UK, Sweden) to extradite the founder of a site that leaked details of their war crimes, not because of the war crimes, the leaks or the embarrassment, but because they are concerned about allegations of rape. I think it is supremely naive to believe that is a coincidence.

      Nevertheless, I am prepared to see Assange go to jail for rape. What I don't want to see is Assange go to GITMO for WIkileaks. I think there are many rational people who would say that such a scenario is possible if not probable.

      Let's not derail the discussion please on the mention of one name. I am interested in the use of the power of the DoJ and its priorities, not discussing a single case. I think the list of cases prosecuted and more importantly those not prosecuted makes a clear argument for fucked up priorities, even if you remove that one name from the list.

      •  Some examples (15+ / 0-)

        Libby was pardoned under Bush, I don't think you can blame that on the current administration.

        Manning's treatment, while unacceptable, isn't under the jurisdiction of the Justice Department and Holder.

        In Holder's fairness there have been some Wall Street prosecutions, but not nearly at the size and severity that there should be.

        Other than that I mostly agree with your diary; while I generally am strongly supportive of the POTUS, this is one horrible are of his administration's policy.

        Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

        by MrAnon on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:15:36 PM PST

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        •  Thank you. (4+ / 0-)
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          Exaggeration and passionate disinformation are not the friends of progress.

          "Every now & then your brain gifts you with the thought, 'oh, that's right, I don't actually give a **** about this.' Treasure it" -- jbou

          by kenlac on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:19:47 PM PST

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          •  I guess I find it hard to differentiate the (7+ / 0-)

            responsibilities of administrations.

            The government is our government. We elect some people to supposedly head it. But, the reality is that monied interests control everything, regardless of who is in elected offices.

            As an overview of our nation's priorities, it is important to see the consistent patterns across administrations and parties.

            There is a continuum here. The fact that the same priorities are playing out is more damning, not less so.

        •  Fair comments (2+ / 0-)
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          I posed Libby as a counterpoint to Kiriakoy's prosecution, only because of how egregious it is. You are correct, he was pardoned by Bush, which was unpardonable.

          Manning's treatment is not under the jurisdiction of the DoJ, correct, it is under the DoD jurisdiction. I would argue both represent Obama's tactics vis-a-vis whistleblowers, but your point is absolutely correct.

          Pah! No fairness for Holder. The DoJ has RICO, wiretaps and the ability to flip people on plea deals. The IRS has enormous teeth. If they really wanted to they could unzip the entire bankster-mortgage-CDS conspiracy in a second. They already have enough I think they just are afraid of bringing down the financial system. As Taibbi says, the lies and coverups and the lack of prosecution is in fact what will bring down the financial system because they destroy the trust in contracts and the rule of law.

          Thanks! Great constructive criticism!

        •  including the one that just got reversed (4+ / 0-)

          as Mozillo got let out of jail?

          I'm not impressed, especially when I contrast the treatment of Wall St financiers with that, for instance, of Thomas Drake.

          You are right about Libby and Manning--though Obama saying that Manning was guilty before he even went to trial was pretty bad, seeing as how he is the head of the executive branch and of the military. So there are other ways in which Obama is partially complicit in what's happened to Manning.

          if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 11:44:20 PM PST

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        •  Libby wasn't pardoned (1+ / 0-)
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          His sentence was commuted. There is a real big difference. He is still a convicted felon in the eyes of the law.

          Consider selecting the stones you throw more carefully. When in doubt, don't throw it, because someone might pick it up and throw it back.

          In Holder's fairness there have been some Wall Street prosecutions, but not nearly at the size and severity that there should be.
          Once again, you have absolutely know idea what you are talking about yet you use a statement that has no basis in fact and use it as another rock .

          I'm not certain about Manning, so rather than commit the same grievous error you did repeatedly, I'm going to leave that rock on the ground.

    •  Updated (4+ / 0-)
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      I posted an update correcting the errors you pointed out.

      Thank you!

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