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  •  I'm sorry but I don't know (2+ / 0-)
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    what you mean by "Parallels between being atheist and being black"

    could you explain?

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    by Denise Oliver Velez on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 08:01:39 PM PST

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    •  Atheists are persona non grata in the US (3+ / 0-)

      We are attacked and excluded from public media constantly. Race is not relevant.

      Listen to Netroots Radio or to our pods on Stitcher. "We are but temporary visitors on this planet. The microbes own this place" <- Me

      by yuriwho on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:26:57 PM PST

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      •  I'm sure that there is discrimination (4+ / 0-)
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        but I don't think I would compare it to the treatment of black Americans - at all.

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        by Denise Oliver Velez on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 10:36:35 PM PST

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        •  I agree... (2+ / 0-)
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          there is discrimination, but not nearly on the scale that has been in full force against black folks. You have to go to someplace like Bangladesh to find an atheist being literally attacked for his stand on religion.

          Whereas here you can find cases like Kyrsten Sinema, who kinda toyed with us a bit before tossing us under the bus and refusing to take a stand...because atheists are so reviled in this country. It's not good, but atheism is rarely life-threatening in this country. While it really is for black folks.

          It seems possible to acknowledge these problems without diminishing either. For my part, I think the diary was dismissive of my experience, but it suggests that I hold my tongue in the name of coalition building and compromise, and so I have been trying.

          I already wrote about some of this once, although hardly anyone reads my diaries. heh. But I could address the 'delusion' issue specifically, since Dawkins mentions it in his book, and I have a copy.

          There is nothing so ridiculous that some philosopher has not said it. -- Cicero

          by tytalus on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 06:56:14 AM PST

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          •  Hi ty - I wasn't trying to be dismissive (3+ / 0-)
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            or to present both sides. Having spent most of my active political life in atheist collectives I had to work hard on accepting (and working with) what was the majority perspective in my communities.

            I may be wrong - but I have not sensed much intolerance towards atheists here at DKos - I have read much more of the Flying Spaghetti Monster type of remark towards people of faith, or sweeping remarks that categorize them all as wingnuts.

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            by Denise Oliver Velez on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:53:22 AM PST

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            •  I agree, there's not much (2+ / 0-)

              definitely not much compared to society at large, although there is some intolerance toward my kind, and I've found it. Some of my most popular work here has been critical of religion. I find it odd. But it certainly reflects a strong community of skeptics here.

              For my part, I have tried to narrow the scope of my remarks and focus on actions over beliefs and I go after conservatives. In responding to challenges from irate believers I may grow strident. Hopefully I have never employed such a broad brush...not perfect, though, can't rule out that I might've.

              Anyway, I decided to write about this not on DK but elsewhere for the reason you cited. For the purpose of 'more and better Democrats' it's not particularly constructive.

              There is nothing so ridiculous that some philosopher has not said it. -- Cicero

              by tytalus on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 10:51:16 AM PST

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            •  LOL, flying spaghetti monster, too funny D nt (1+ / 0-)
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