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  •  Or all interviews must take place in a darkened (13+ / 0-)


    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 03:36:00 AM PST

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    •  Yes. Don't Want My Hideousness or Beauty (7+ / 0-)

      to bias your judgement.

      Very strange.  Some of my better work experiences have been in family owned companies. Too twisted that this issue would enter in to this type of company.

    •  Orchestra auditions (10+ / 0-)

      are now routinely conducted behind a screen. Hence, more women, more diversity, and a wider age range in modern orchestras.

      It works.

      Republicans want to make government small enough to fit in your vagina..

      by ramara on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 09:30:55 AM PST

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      •  interesting point, if tangential (5+ / 0-)

        when orchestras starting doing this, women were still not getting the major orchestra gigs ... until they started wearing slacks and "mannish" shoes. even with a screen, some things are visible, and the sexists were still looking. true story.

        In times like these, we cannot make too much music.

        by ProvokingMeaning on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 09:33:03 AM PST

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        •  I watched some of the Bernstein (3+ / 0-)
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          Young People's Concerts (YouTube has them all) and it looked strange to see all white men except for two harpists.

          I was at the New England Conservatory in the Doriot Anthony Dwyer days.

          Republicans want to make government small enough to fit in your vagina..

          by ramara on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 09:52:46 AM PST

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          •  those were some days, at NEC! (1+ / 0-)
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            i was lucky enough to sing for Lenny 5 or 6 times as an undergrad (Beethoven 9, Beethoven Missa, Mahler 2, Mahler 8, among others) ... and spent an unforgettable summer studying conducting with him. An astonishing man, deeply flawed but the most passionate musician i have ever known.

            In times like these, we cannot make too much music.

            by ProvokingMeaning on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:25:52 PM PST

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      •  and before that happened, (5+ / 0-)
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        male professional musicians became willing to teach talented female musicians to have a serious career,  although some did expect sex in return for recommendations.

      •  I had a management position at a company... (9+ / 0-)

        ...where the HR department scrubbed all identifying info from resumes.  We managers got a redacted resume with names (which usually denote gender/sex and sometimes race/nationality as well) and other info (like the year someone graduated college or high school) removed.  All we saw was the pertinent details.    

        Sometimes, you could tell by someone's time working (e.g..: worked for 20 years at the same firm) roughly how old they might be, but that's it.  

        As the manager of a team, I'd look over the resumes as well as the HR person's notes from the initial interview, and would email HR a list of the resume numbers I would like to meet with.  HR then scheduled the interview.  

        It did make for a very diverse workforce.  

        A few years ago, some sociologists did an experiment where they mailed resumes to companies seeking employees.  The resumes were functionally identical (same education, same experience, same achievements) but were worded slightly differently, and the names of previous employers were changed (though they were same industry).  The names were different.  They had resumes that had "white" sounding names (Michael, Emily, Jonathan, Anna, etc...)  and names that sounded "Ethnic" (Jamal, etc).  Even though the resumes were functionally identical, the "white" sounding names got many more interviews than the "ethnic" sounding names.   Then, to take it another step, some researchers did the same thing, but they used a "white" sounding name on all resumes.  Then, when the person was called for interview, they sent one of two paid actors; one was was white, the other black.  Both actors practiced identical stories and lines.  Both wore the same clothing.  Both were clean-cut looking, etc...   Both spoke in proper english that was in keeping with their supposed educational attainment.    

        The white actor was offered the job far more often than the black actor.  

        So I think the orchestras are on to something.  Not only should maybe the resumes and job applications be redacted, but it might be beneficial to have the applicant sit behind a screen.  

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