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  •  He doesn't suggest they change (11+ / 0-)

    He suggests they talk differently.

    They're not supposed to save the social insurance programs: they're supposed to say that they're doing it ("we had to destroy the village in order to save it").

    •  Exactly: sound like Ds but continue the Tea-jihad (5+ / 0-)

      is what Luntz is saying.  

      IOW, we have won the policy fight on many issue.  Luntz just wants to fuzz the language up so Thugs can steal our voters.  

      As for T-baggers... he's counting on hunger, dogwhistles, whisper campaigns, plausible deniability and the perfidy of the media to keep them happy.  Given the last 40 years, I'd say he's right on that, especially the media.

      It is absolutely critical webe prepared to pt out how every Thug 'says one thing but does something else entirely', 'is just saying what you want to hear but doing the same old T-bag'.  IOW, 'is just lying and playing you for a fool.'

      That is a win-win for Ds.  It locks in the consensus in favor of Ds by ptg out the even Thugs are saying they want what Ds are selling, while forcing Thugs to choose b/t merely paying lip service to it or actually moving left. (I'm sure we know which they'll choose.)

      This will be difficiult as it requires a degree of discipline Ds rarely show, as well as being on guard and punishing by primarying D hypocrits who see it as opportunity to cash in by selling out on policy.

      •  Head vs heart (1+ / 0-)
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        Of course we win on all the policy issues.  Every survey about teal issues shows people side with the Democrats.  But as the diarist says, that's not how people vote.  We need to appeal to people's emotions with honest feelings about right and wrong.  We have two people that can do that we'll: WJC and BHO.  Hope they will take this on.  

        I'm still mad about Nixon.

        by J Orygun on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 04:23:37 PM PST

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        •  Honesty v lies. As Biden says: 'Show me ur budget (3+ / 0-)
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          and I'll show you what you value.'

          Its not enough to be right, if the other side fools enough voters into thinking they'll do the right things too.

          Yes, when you're trying to convince, you go for emotions.  'Cause policy discussion is hard to do in 30 sec TV ads.  But we will lose if we only think we have to jerk tears harder than the other side and ignore the reality of what they are doing: lying and playng voters for fools.

          2012 proved one thing: enough voters are not stupid that they understand they are being lied to and played when that is pt'ed out.  The 'consultant class' like Luntz makes its living by lying and playing the voters, so it is not surprising that the common wisdom was 2012 could never happen.  

          The irony is, Clinton got elected twice by pt'g out how Thugs were lying and playing voters (in a nicer way, of course, but what do u think 'It's the Economy, stupid' really meant? Clue, the other guy was all Flag and 1000 pts of Light and bs.)  Heck, even Gore won the majority of votes.  The last 2 weeks of his campaign was essentially what big fat liar Dumbya was (history proved that absolutely correct).

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