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  •  The qualifier 'as a concession' (12+ / 0-)

    doesn't change the 'offered' part. Why is a Democrat offering anything about the safety-net in any context whatsoever?!

    Especially when we ALL know it's a lie -- and that includes the politicians -- that Social Security is in trouble; that it contributes to the deficit; that long-range it can't be fixed by a minor raise on the cap.

    "The Stockholm Syndrome" refers to when captives start to regard their captors as deserving of sympathy. That ordinary people go along with the -- and I mean this quite literally -- lunatic terms of debate of the Beltway, ... well, dammit, none of us are actors in the Beltway.

    We're citizens, it's not our job to justify the lunatic contexts of DC. To give up our interests in the delusion that by doing so we further our interests.

    Get out of the Beltway Syndrome and there's no way you can ignore that repeatedly concessions have been offered, when there is no intellectual, moral, economic, or humanly decent reason to do so. Only Beltway "logic."

    And DC's priority is to fuck us over, if you haven't noticed.


    Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

    by Jim P on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 11:23:47 AM PST

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    •  because sometimes concessions need to be offered (1+ / 0-)
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      so that the other party doesn't demand something worse. This is a classic negotiating tactic.

      •  Why is "Must Make Deal" god, then? (10+ / 0-)

        So if the other side insists that all people over 65 be shotgunned to death, then you come back with, "well, only the women?" Because the only thing that matters is "Must Make Deal."

        There are reasonable deals, and there are insane deals. You know, we all know, that Social-Security-as-deficit-causer is a lie; that chained CPI is not a cut is a lie; that raising the age for benefits for anything is a killer -- literally a killer.

        And the damage to Democratic candidates in 2014 is guaranteed, as we have 2010 of Must.Make.Deal as witness.

        Must.Make.Deal. Deal.Always.Good.

        C'mon. Your a human. You and I are shit to the Beltway. Worry about your interests, your relatives, your friends, your community. Stop being a hostage to our corrupt politics, offering apologia for politicians set to do you harm.


        Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

        by Jim P on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 12:40:18 PM PST

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        •  but that's the point (0+ / 0-)

          at least two progressive institutes disagree with you that this is a severe cut. That's the whole point.

          And my interests is in seeing the policies that Republicans are holding hostage escape their grasp.

          •  You can't do arithmetic? (6+ / 0-)

            Institutes are propaganda mills, part of the Braindead Beltway. Have been since their inception.

            You have a brain. Arithmetic isn't hard. The Law isn't mysterious.

            Do you pay rent? A mortgage, or any kind of lease?

            Then you know that next month, and through the term, you WILL be paying $x. No question about it. That's the contract; that's the law. If your landlord said next month: "hey, give me .5% less," you'd say "That's a cut" right? The landlord would say that. A passing 5th grader would say that.

            Under the law as it stands, COLA is what it is. No question about it. If inflation is 2%, then next period you'll get $102 for every $100 you get this period.

            No question about it.

            With chained CPI you'll get something less than 2%. Say it's 1.5% -- and we know the reason CPI even exists is to lower the calculation of inflation for COLA benefits. So it will be less.

            This period: $100. Next period under c-CPI, $101.50.

            None of us needs an authority to know that $101.50 is less than $102. The $102 currently guaranteed. It's a cut.

            The only way anyone could say that it's not is if they suffered Beltway Syndrome.


            Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

            by Jim P on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 01:14:23 PM PST

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            •  Just noticed the weasel-word "severe" (7+ / 0-)

              to modify "cut" in your comment.

              Jesus Christ, man! On what planet does $10 a month less mean nothing to a person who has enough to live on for 25 days?! That's tens of millions of people!!!!

              And I speak from within the situation.


              Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

              by Jim P on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 01:17:22 PM PST

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            •  Worse (0+ / 0-)

              It is not only a cumulative function but a compound function. Works no different than the way compound interest works. i.e. it makes it worse with each passing year.

              Excellent set of comments by you in this diary.

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