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  •  I see no reason to attack the diarist... (4+ / 0-)
    I live on far less than $5 a day and I make the money not to. I just can't imagine wanting to eat the kind of processed or overblown foods that'd get me to $5 a day. I'm fine with simple meals. I barely crack $3.
    So you're saying, you have a choice, and the time and the kitchen to prepare foods that are both nutritious and cheap. Also, you don't have food allergies that require higher priced items like gluten free or dairy free foods. That's great, you have a choice, and the time and ability to be frugal. Try eating healthily on the same budget with two kids in a hotel with no kitchenette and only a little electric tea pot to heat things in. Oh and no car either, so you're walking about 3 miles to get to anything other than a convenience store.

    I feed five people on about 3.50 a day for each person, including a teenage boy and a preteen girl. I manage, but we make a lot of sacrifices and we don't eat as well as I'd like us to eat.

    Yes, it's better to have some food than none. That doesn't mean that someone on food stamps has enough or that they are eating what they should be eating.

    "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

    by FloridaSNMOM on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 03:35:30 PM PST

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    •  I'm not "attacking" him (0+ / 0-)

      1) It doesn't take long to steam, boil, or fry things.

      2) Gluten free, largely a trend and not a dietary need, is easily gotten around. Most of the whole food gluten alternatives are pretty cheap in and of themselves. I also do not drink dairy, so get off your provincial horse wherein everyone eats the American diet.

      3) Your appeal to emotion fallacy is not only nonsense, it's better than what I've had at some points. As I explicitly stated, I've been without benefits, without money, and just outright starving. So your fallacy is especially eyeroll worthy to me.

      4) What in God's name do you possibly feed your kids that could possible amount to 3.50 a day? Count Chocula and steak? If anyone finds food stamps not enough, which they explicitly are if you're getting the full benefit, then they need to do whatever they can to get their life in order. I've been down, I've been out, I know how to make a feast out of bunk ingredients and I know the difference between a sad situation and sad excuses.

      This is precisely why the government shouldn't give food stamps/EBT at all but be a direct food distributor. There's no excuse for paying out billions and only getting retail prices. The amount we pay in food assistance is enough to be more than Uniliver, Cambell's Soup Company, and Con Agra combined.

      •  Did you forget your (5+ / 0-)

        "Don't be a Dick" pills?

        "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

        by high uintas on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 04:01:27 PM PST

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      •  It doesn't take long to steam, boil or fry things. (3+ / 0-)
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        IF you have a kitchen in which to do it. Not everyone does.

        I can promise you that anyone who is on SNAP who is eating Gluten free is doing it because of allergy or disease reasons, not just for the hell of it. There are MANY people who HAVE to be gluten free, and it is a LOT more expensive (I pay .89 for a loaf of bread, my friend with a 4 year old who is allergic to wheat pays over $6 for a loaf half the size of the one I buy).

        You say you were starving. Were you also supporting two kids and starving so they could eat? Was one of your children a brittle hypoglycemic and autistic? It's not an 'emotional fallacy" it's what we've lived through. Deal with it. Yes living without any food is BAD for an adult, try it with kids.

        As for what I feed my kids, no, no junk cereals and no steak. I feed five people on about $120 a week, We only get $180 a month in SNAP despite being below poverty level. That works out to about $3.40 a week. But we also have several dietary restrictions to work into meals. I also insist on giving them as balanced a diet as I can within those restrictions. That means a lot of spaghetti sauce, a lot of peanut butter and jelly, a lot of pasta. We do ok, but there's a lot of give and take in our food budget, and there are a lot of times I have to say no to things we would like to eat.

        As for 'sad excuses' also keep in mind that prices vary from area to area of the country. Keep in mind that not everyone is happy with a simple or boring diet. Keep in mind that some people cannot eat certain things. You can't judge anyone else's situation as you live your own life.

        "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

        by FloridaSNMOM on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 04:10:53 PM PST

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        •  If you don't have a kitchen (0+ / 0-)

          then your problems are already more severe than SNAP is equipped to deal with. Also, it's called a hotplate.

          And you just pointed out PRECISELY what I am talking about. Your friend buys $6 bread. First of all, you don't have to buy bread. Second of all, bread isn't necessary for your diet. This is the American diet problem I've been pointing to.  Bread isn't necessary, it's merely a convenience.

          I WAS a kid when I was starving. And yes, you are doing an appeal to emotion falllacy. Your extreme examples are i no way indictative of the norm and to be honest at that point you ought to give up your child until and unless you are capable of caring for them properly. That's a sad fact, but true. Your fallacy is no different than the Sarah McLachlan commercials with a sad puppy face going "Why am I going to be put to death if you don't donate?!"

          Five people on SNAP with severe dietary restrictions according to yourself. Attempts to balance according to yourself, although I notice that you eat almost uniformly processed foods. SNAP is not designed for the American diet of all processed foods. It is best designed for people who eat whole foods. Which would actually benefit your specific conditions no matter what they are. Whole foods are better and cheaper than processed.

          "Keep in mind that not everyone is happy with a simple or boring diet. "

          THAT is what I am talking about. You're on food assistance. And you see fit to complain about simple and/or "boring". The hubris of that kind of statement turns a lot of people off of the good that the program does. You want a diet that is less boring? Otherwise you won't be happy? #firstworldproblems. When and where I grew up, starvation WAS an option. There was no SNAP or DYFUS or surplus food to step in.

          A safety net isn't there to make you happy. It's there to stop you from dying. How dare you stand there and tell me that soups and oatmeal and rice and beans aren't good enough to make you happy. How arrogant can Americans be?  

          •  Yes of course (4+ / 0-)
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            A) You really have no idea what I eat. My son doesn't eat a lot of varied foods because that's part of his own disability, and is very restricted in what he eats. No where did I say I eat a lot of processed foods however.

            As for giving up my kids. You can just STFU on that one, I'm not giving up my kids just because our home was condemned after a hurricane and we were living in a hotel for a month out of necessity. They would NOT have been better off in foster care then they were with me.

            And why should we want our kids to have a healthy and varied diet. We should all be happy with rice and beans three times a day, with no fruits or vegetables or variety, right?

             I'm done. I now consider you a troll. Good night and I wish you the best.

            "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

            by FloridaSNMOM on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 05:00:47 PM PST

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          •  Wow, you obviously don't know what the (2+ / 0-)
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            norm is.  Real people have real challenges.

          •  Now I see where 'stark raving' comes from... (0+ / 0-)

            Something that doesn't make good sense, makes bad sense. That means someone is being deliberately hurtful & selfish. Look for motives behind actions & words.

            by CA wildwoman on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 11:43:32 PM PST

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