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  •  The right to essentially traffic in the free labor (1+ / 0-)
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    of children has been asserted -- and even recently been upheld by the courts under the clause of religious freedom:

    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/...

    And also this:

    http://www.tampabay.com/...

    http://www.tampabay.com/...

    •  Hardly the same thing (0+ / 0-)

      as the right to kill your children.

      •  Is Stoning Children That Far Fetched? (0+ / 0-)

        Maybe stoning the elderly is OK?

        Religion is the worst fabrication ever conceived by mankind.

        Religion /= God.

        ego sum ergo ego eram

        by glb3 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 10:04:54 AM PST

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        •  And crazy people citing religion = religion (0+ / 0-)

          in your book, apparently.

          •  Religion Is Whatever One Chooses It To be. (0+ / 0-)

            Crazy people stoning someone based on scriptural interpretation, or crazy people in the pulpit preaching hate based on scriptural interpretation. It's all made up, then assigned to God to give it legitimacy.
            Religion gave this guy cover to hate someone else. Religion came first.

            ego sum ergo ego eram

            by glb3 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 05:14:37 PM PST

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            •  If religion is whatever one chooses it to be (0+ / 0-)

              then why does my choice weigh less with you than his?

              It obviously does, or you wouldn't be talking as though religion and hate are synonymous.

              •  Wow. (0+ / 0-)

                Got yourself in some twisted logic there trying to put words in my mouth. Almost like a religion, but it's your choice...freedom baby!

                ego sum ergo ego eram

                by glb3 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 05:59:45 AM PST

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              •  My Point Is... (0+ / 0-)

                Hate is a human emotion. Often, religion is used to justify intolerance of others, whether it be cultural, biological, or philisophical.
                God didn't create religion, humans did...and many conflicting religions, at that. Religious doctrine and rituals are not the answer. Religion is not a precept to a relationship with God.

                ego sum ergo ego eram

                by glb3 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 07:42:36 AM PST

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      •  Christian reconstructionism. (0+ / 0-)

        Google Gary North and Christian reconstructionism.  The CR movement (founded by Gary North's father in law, Rushdoony) believe that the OT laws (excluding ritual laws) must be followed by Twoo Chwistians - including the execution of certain classes of 'criminals'.  Including disobedient children.

        Gary North advocates stoning as an execution method because it is a cheap method of execution, and stones are easily available.

        Yes, a real gaggle of sick authoritarian bastards.

        Yes, a small movement in terms of numbers, but influental well beyond their numbers - they do have an influence on Dominionists.

        •  Yeegh. That's terrible. (0+ / 0-)

          And somehow I doubt they are requiring a proper Biblical court.

          ... wait, "excluding ritual laws"?  Meaning what?

          •  'ritual laws' (0+ / 0-)

            meaning things the CR types interpret as religious practices in place before Jesus.  In parts of the OT there are a lot of lists of temple-specific practices, and dietary laws, and so forth - those things the CR types no longer believe to be enforced by God.  (In short, because of Jesus they can eat shrimp and wear cotton-poly blends! Yays!)

            The CR types scare me.  Then again, so do Dominionists.

            •  Oh, got it. (How conveeeeenient.) (0+ / 0-)

              Cotton-poly blends are actually okay by the Hebrew Bible; the only forbidden mixed fabric is linen-wool.  Shrimp are still verboten, though.

              I don't know a whole lot about Dominionists, but what I have heard is unnerving.

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