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  •  Why should we care (3+ / 0-)
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    MPociask, Not A Bot, blueoasis

    how well students are doing in another school across the city, the state, or the country? When we deal with other infrastructure, I doubt the question even comes up.

    Does fixing potholes in the Palms neighborhood in Los Angeles somehow depend on the state of road repair in Portland? Is tap water quality in Atlanta related to tap water quality in Lubbock? If a Post Office roof leaks in Chicago, do we investigate roof integrity in Denver?

    No. We fix local problems as we find them, if we have resources to do so.

    "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

    by Orinoco on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 02:06:45 PM PST

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    •  That's a bizarre objection to standardized testing (3+ / 0-)
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      nextstep, Linda Wood, Orinoco

      For all the things you mention, we do indeed have national standards either via the federal government or other imposers of national standards.  

      You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

      by Rich in PA on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 02:13:40 PM PST

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      •  Yes, I have bizarre thoughts at times (0+ / 0-)

        thank you for noticing    ;^)
        see below

        "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

        by Orinoco on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 02:52:50 PM PST

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    •  There are national standards (4+ / 0-)
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      WillR, Linda Wood, nextstep, Orinoco

      For water quality (people who ship bottled water across state lines know about this), civil engineering (even more than how to do road repair), and building codes (how to build roofs that don't leak).

      •  Yes, there are national standards (0+ / 0-)

        building codes, materials testing standards and so on. My point is not that there shouldn't be standards, or that standards shouldn't be met.

        But standardized educational testing is not about any of that, except on the surface. It is about comparing one school to another, one school district to another, one state to another.

        Do we ever take into account the tap water quality in Atlanta when we are working in the water treatment plant in Lubbock?  We really do not. If we find a problem in Lubbock, we fix the problem in Lubbock. Likewise for any other infrastructure problem you care to mention, except one: public education.

        I think the truly bizarre thing is that we are forcing competition between school districts, schools and teachers when cooperation and collaboration works so much better.

        "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

        by Orinoco on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 02:51:44 PM PST

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