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  •  Is java going the way if the dinosaur? (6+ / 0-)

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 01:51:12 PM PST

    •  Hopefully they are in the browser arena... (9+ / 0-)

      ... but it doesn't sound like they are the only group that serves up vulnerabilities to bad guys on the internet.  It sounds like Acrobat and Flash also have their share of problems like this in the browser world.  This vulnerability has gotten to most press over the last week or so.

      I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

      by Hey338Too on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 02:01:49 PM PST

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    •  Is it in wide use aside from browsers? (1+ / 0-)
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      Wasn't there a time when it was supposed to be for standalone apps too? Is that so and did this ever come about?

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 02:53:01 PM PST

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      •  Yes, Java is still used for application .... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... development outside of web applications.  As I understand it, those applications are not vulnerable to this exploit.  This is a particular problem with Java apps developed for web browsers.

        I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

        by Hey338Too on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 03:40:59 PM PST

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        •  Are they generally apps proper, or applets? (1+ / 0-)
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          Meaning the web-based ones. I keep meaning to get back into programming and have no idea what people use these days to do what where how.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 05:02:41 PM PST

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          •  I'm behind the curve on what the latest... (0+ / 0-)

            ... whiz-bang language is these days.  I'd defer to a whipper-snapper, there has to be one around here somewhere!

            I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

            by Hey338Too on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 06:00:21 PM PST

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    •  Maybe on browsers, but not on the server side (2+ / 0-)
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      Vast amounts of what runs on corporate servers is Java based.  That stuff is no more likely to go away than IBM mainframes, once thought to be dinosaurs.  Once corporations are fully committed to a particular language or architecture it's awfully hard to change.  Just look how long COBOL and Fortran have been around.

    •  Java isn't going away anytime soon (1+ / 0-)
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      Its the engine on which huge amounts of government, private and military servers and apps are run.

      It may or may not be on the decline presently, but most programming langs die eventually from bloat and/or poor design, and being superseded by superior languages.

      Java is heavily used in so many places that it will be a long time before it goes away even if every single organization using it were to decide tonight to remove all traces.

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