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  •  thanks for the info (10+ / 0-)

    I didn't mean to imply that they're sitting around loafing. I have no doubt they're very busy doing what they're doing, and what they're good at is high level wheeling and dealing, as you describe. And they're probably the best at what they do. But the criticism in this diary seems to be that this kind of insider work hasn't been very effective, at least to date. And I know they're even interested in new and fresh perspectives, because they've invited smaller orgs to their meetings, but there's ultimately not much of an understanding of each other's worlds. It's like the UN inviting all the NGOs to their Rio+20 negotiations, and it's all nice and looks good, but ultimately it's "the adults" in the room who make all the decisions, and the decisions usually don't create huge change. I'm not saying that smaller organizations would be better at doing it, it's basically the same discussion we always have here about working within the system vs changing the system. I think you ultimately need both, but there's often too little understanding of the two worlds, and I might add, the resources are heavily skewed towards the ones working within the system, which ultimately perpetuates the system.

    You don’t want to be victimized by your lesser talents. - Gary Snyder

    by citisven on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 07:18:20 PM PST

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    •  I agree. I personally believe the most effective (5+ / 0-)

      approach is to have techo wizzes AND organizers that do education, outreach and organizing working together on the same issue. It's like building with two hands; much better and most effective.

      When I went to TX to help a teensie group in a very poor rural community fight a huge problem which was blessed by both the corporate and government world, the attorneys that agreed to work on the issue with them, in Austin, said almost nothing before telling me, "you can't stop this".

      Well, we did stop it. And we did it by organizing small groups together into a coalition and then reached out to/organized in communities all through TX who then reached out to their political reps.

      I think it's the most effective way to fight something--or FOR something--because they can't label you as unscientific (you have your wizzes) and there is a united base of power all asking for (or fighting against) the same thing.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 07:51:34 PM PST

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    •  For what it's worth (5+ / 0-)
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      The reason the inside game doesn't get much progress is because the game is stacked.  As Bill McKibben points out, the NRDCs don't command great voting blocks or more importantly campaign contributions.  Coal companies do.  The accusations that it is the enviros fault (which isn't what McKibben actually says if you read his piece) it's that all groups large or small are outgunned.   We need people who will not vote, work for, or donate to politicians who work against climate progress.  A big block of single issue voters.   We do not have that

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 10:56:04 PM PST

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