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  •  Social security cuts are on the table (7+ / 0-)

    because the folks most hurt by those cuts, the poor elderly you write about, provide little if any funds to the politicians who are intent on enacting these cuts.

    It makes one marvel at how Roosevelt and the New Deal Dems ever got SS enacted in the first place.  It took a near total collapse of the American political/economic system for politicians to do something for the not well off.

    •  Roosevelt wasn't afraid to take bold action and (4+ / 0-)

      the responsibility for.

      Our leaders today aren't just timid, they are compliant.

      The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

      by Words In Action on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 07:03:51 AM PST

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      •  FDR faced the CIO, Huey Long & Communists (4+ / 0-)

        I think it's disgraceful that Obama offers chained CPI as a "shared sacrifice." It will be no sacrifice to him. And I believe the fundamental question about any fiscal proposal should be "Does it increase or decrease income inequality?" Chained CPI increases income inequality (even if it's true, as the apologists for Obama argue, that it doesn't do so by large amounts).

        But it is also true that FDR faced a large, organized and militant Left. Occupy represented that threat momentarily until it was suppressed by the local police (likely operating in conjunction with the federal secret police, as revealed by a recent document release).

        The Power Elite and their wholly-owned "public servants"--like Barack Obama and too many other Democrats--won't respond until they feel threatened (not physically but politically) by disorder.

        •  If not disorder, defeat at least (4+ / 0-)

          That's why I am going to hold the party responsible from the top down.  This a throw the bums out issue for me and I say just keep throwing the bums out until we find something else in office.  

          The idea that you can primary a half dozen guys in swing districts and fundamentally change the party is wrong.  If they cut Social Security and Medicare it will prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

          The entire party needs to feel the heat.  Every last Democrat needs to feel the pain if they do this.  

          •  While I agree, I think there's an endless supply (1+ / 0-)
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            of bums, which is why it will take a much larger, more organized version of Occupy, or a more virulent, destructive (not physically, but economically, socially) form of Occupy, to provide the "threat" needed to bring about change from the administration, the Hill, the SCOTUS and the plutocracy.

            The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

            by Words In Action on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 08:35:35 AM PST

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            •  Occupy made the same mistake we did in the 60's (4+ / 0-)

              Street action isn't enough.  And it's far worse now because terrorism has become an excuse for police state repression of even peaceful dissent.

              Movements have to move people who are middle-aged.  They have to motivate people where they live.  That was the brilliance of the Republicans move into the churches.  It's of very limited use to occupy some urban park where no one in the suburbs ever goes.

              How do we occupy the suburbs?  I wish I had an answer.

              •  Oh, I agree. If it re-animates (1+ / 0-)
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                in some fashion, it almost certainly will not involve camps.

                Engaging the suburbs will take with multiple, pre-organized roles that people can plug into, either ad hoc or ongoing, remotely or on site. Successful volunteer organizations do this.

                I guess my point is simply that you simply can't get there from here through electoral politics alone. It's going to take additional kinds of massive pressure on the government AND direct action against private players to make it happen.

                The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

                by Words In Action on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:34:55 AM PST

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                •  There used to be an organization that worked (1+ / 0-)
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                  in working class areas and got support in the suburbs. It was called ACORN. It organized in cities but canvassed for donations in the suburbs.

                  Stupid liberal foundations de-funded it before O'Keefe video was debunked. I hate O'Keefe but too much of the damage was self-inflicted.

                  I give credit to Alan Grayson and Eric Holder who both said publicly that Congress' action was a bill of attainder.

                  It would be great to marry the ACORN model with the OFA model.

              •  There was plenty of repression in 1960s (0+ / 0-)

                There was COINTELPRO. There was CIA involvement in the US, in violation of its charter. Sound familiar?

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