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  •  About this.... (9+ / 0-)

    .... and oh so many other things you are absolutely right.

    Domestic abusers and violent felons need to be on the list.
    Domestic abusers scare the hell out of me. Every time I see a photo of one on the internets they look demonic. If beating up a spouse or family member finally becomes less than satisfying what could you do to up the ante? Shoot up a bunch of strangers, maybe?

    Inspiration is hard to come by. You have to take it where you find it. --- Bob Dylan.

    by figbash on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:03:26 AM PST

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    •  I agree, but (6+ / 0-)

      how many domestic abusers and violent felons are under the care of mental health professionals?

      I don't mean to sound squishy on this. I guess I'm imagining a situation of a mental health patient whose therapist fears violence to others or to the patient her/himself. What's the therapist to do? Determine if the patient has a gun...report it to the state...the state revokes the gun license. Does the patient return for more therapy or give up on it altogether?

      I'm for much better mental health care and am willing to help pay for it.

      I'm also for really strict gun control - I would be figuratively destroyed if I opined in RKBA!

      •  This is true. (6+ / 0-)

        Domestic abusers tend not to be self-analytic, so they would never even think that something could be wrong with them. They think everyone else is the problem.

        I don't think there would be any way to take away guns if the patient has them already, but maybe put them on the screening list for future purchases. A lot of these killers are using recently purchased guns.

        Of course have better mental health access and treatment is paramount. We can, of course, thank Reagan for dismantling what we had.

        Someone feeling wronged is like someone feeling thirsty. Don’t tell them they aren’t. Sit with them and have a drink. - Lemony Snicket

        by Floja Roja on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:39:45 AM PST

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      •  I agree with you. (6+ / 0-)

        What is am saying is that anyone convicted of domestic abuse should be on the prohibited list period. Of course, they aren't self-examiners. They would never see a professional of their own volition. The courts should deem them unable to buy or possess a gun. I don't think this is something we should dump on mental health providers. It belongs in the courts.

        I'm all for gun control, especially these new-fangled killing machines that are all the rage these days. I, too, cannot go to any of the RKBA diaries nor do I want to.

        Inspiration is hard to come by. You have to take it where you find it. --- Bob Dylan.

        by figbash on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 10:19:18 AM PST

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      •  I see your point, carolanne -- (5+ / 0-)

        the trouble with the calls to keep a database of the "mentally ill" is, it's a wrong-end-of-the-telescope view. It seems obvious when we look at people who have committed horrendous gun crimes that they should not have been able to have a gun. But it is not so easy to look at the entire population, in advance of anything happening, and determine who will be violent in the future. I don't think we'd really like the level of government scrutiny of each of us that would be required to make even a roughly accurate "list" of potential violent offenders.

        Surely there are some people who ought not to be allowed to buy guns, including people who have already acted violently (domestic abusers, for example). But it gets tricky not to cross over into the realm of punishing thought crimes. If the solution were simple, people of good will could agree on it. It's difficult to change culture, and that's what the real fix is. ::sigh::

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