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  •  deward, the .223 is banned in many states (0+ / 0-)

    because it is not effective and legislators in those states do not want wounded deer walking around in the woods.

    Like I said, if you are a hunter and you shoot a deer, it's your responsibility to be sure it dies quickly and to recover it. You don't shoot it and let it wander off to die. A .223 might kill it eventually, but not fast enough.

    If you read my diary, and my comments, you will see that I consistently type: .223 AR-15

    .... in my comment to you I merely left off the "-15"

    I don't know what state you live in, but before you go hunting, you better make sure your are hunting in a state that has not banned the .223 for hunting.

    •  What you are "typing" (0+ / 0-)

      is simply false.  .223 is effective at taking down deer.  I know this from personal experience.  In the State where I have used it .223 is banned for "hunting' in season (to limit weekend warriors who haven't a clue) and legal for varmint (deer are classified as varmint) at any time.  Laws can be funny that way.  As I already pointed out, ".223 AR-15" conflates two different things (as you use it) . . . my .223 chambered rifle is not an AR-15.

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 11:02:57 AM PST

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      •  Deward: I am not going to argue (0+ / 0-)

        with you.  

        .... Not Powerful enough...powerful enough.

        Fact is, many states have banned hunting with the .223 because they don't want a bunch of wounded animals walking around the woods.

        Also, you wrote:

        In the State where I have used it .223 is banned for "hunting' in season
        So you hunt with a .223 that is banned during hunting season ... ok.

        you wrote:

        and legal for varmint (deer are classified as varmint)
        Really ... you think a deer is a varmint ... ok.

        I am not here to argue with you or anyone else.  If you want to think that a deer is a varmint, so be it.

        If you want to think that .223 is effective for deer hunting, so be it.

        My truck can also kill a deer, but I would not use my truck to kill a deer.

        •  "If you want to think" (0+ / 0-)

          Well yes, of course I do.  Try to make a habit of it, in fact.

          But the simple fact that .223 is effective on deer is not just something I "think", it is something with which I have direct experience.

          And yes, a deer that crawls under the fence and is in the garden munching on the asparagus, or the plums, is a varmint.  And outside the fence they can be just as devastating to the native flora.  Hooved rats, I've heard them called.  I'm inclined to think that shooting them is more "humane" than poison, or starvation after they've eaten everything in sight . . .

          Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

          by Deward Hastings on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 12:03:39 PM PST

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    •  TeamSarah4Choice: name one state & give a link (0+ / 0-)

      to its game laws banning the .223.

      LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 01:17:16 PM PST

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      •  blacksheep: Indiana (0+ / 0-)

        Indiana is just one of many states that ban hunting with a .223

      •  Washington State (1+ / 0-)
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        prohibits .223 for licenced "in season" hunting (probably because it is too weak for the longer ranges common on the more open East side) but not for pest control (raccoon and deer being the most common).

        .223 is legal for licensed hunting in Oregon and California.

        .223 is more than sufficient out to 100 yards with appropriate (fragmenting) bullet . . . I'd advise against it for any longer range.  At 50 yards and under (where aim and accuracy is less an issue) even pistol rounds suffice (Marlin Camp Carbine in 45 caliber, for example) or a slug loaded shotgun.  The heavier pistol caliber or shotgun may be preferred where overshoot is a danger, but IMO the .223 gives much greater assurance of a "clean kill".  

        It's a measure of the . . . oddness . . . of gun laws that deer hunting with shotguns firing slug or "buckshot" (hint hint) is banned in some places while required in others.

        Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

        by Deward Hastings on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 04:35:58 PM PST

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        •  Up to 100 meters I'm with you on the .223 (1+ / 0-)
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          can't vouch for it farther than that, 'cause that's what our range limited us to. It's a fine little lightweight rifle within its limits, but it does have limits.

          LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

          by BlackSheep1 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:20:50 PM PST

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