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  •  Guns and ammo are not free! (2+ / 0-)
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    TeamSarah4Choice, raincrow

    You pay the gun industry for purchase of the gun and ammo.  So it gun industry is infringing on your RKBA.

    And while you complain that any additional fees (licensing, insurance or liability ocverage, safety training and certification, etc) are infringing on your RKBA, and are therefore unconstitutional, by the same argument, it is unconstitutional for the gun manufacturer or seller to charge you for purcahse of the guns and ammo.

    Yet strangely, I have NEVER heard a gun enthusiast tell me the gun industry is unconstitutionally blocking the RKBA.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 11:34:58 AM PST

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    •  It has always been the voter's burden (0+ / 0-)

      to get to and from voter registration and to and from the polls. Those have been judged to be reasonable costs of exercising a right. I would argue that buying a gun (or receiving one as a gift) and ammunition is analogous to the voter's burden. Not all guns are fancy or expensive, and .22 and .38 rounds are reasonably affordable.

      Given that a citizen has shouldered her/his reasonable costs of exercising a right, it is left to the state to impose as little as possible on that exercise, i.e., by providing a reasonable geographical distribution and number of voting machines, reasonable hours for registration, reasonable polling hours, no intimidation, no poll taxes, no literacy tests, etc.

      The argument is almost always about what constitutes "reasonable."

      YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

      by raincrow on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 05:17:01 PM PST

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      •  You are gored on the horns of a dilemma (0+ / 0-)

        You HAVE to acknowledge one of two mutually contradictory things:

        1 - A fee imposes a restriction your free exercise of a right, and therefore it is unconstitutional for the gun and ammo makers to charge you for your gun and ammo.

        2 - Or citizens are required to bear the costs of exercising their rights, in which case fees for licensing, insurance, safety certifications, etc., are all part of what you have to pay to own and carry a gun.

        You started out arguing 1, but now you seemed to have switched to 2.

        Or you could try and take the conservatives' way out, and argue that gun owners should only pay those fee the gun owners agree to pay, and all fees the gun owners don't want to pay are unconstitutional.  As an argument, this is of course, lazy and intellectually dishonest.  And far beyond what is described in the 2nd Amendment.

        "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

        by Hugh Jim Bissell on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 06:38:31 AM PST

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