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  •  More than 80% of street guns were bought legally (17+ / 0-)

    at one time or another.  Legal purchasers are too nonchalant about the security of their gun if they're not in a gun safe when not in their immediate possession.  Straw sales should be jail time for the seller - they are knowingly and purposefully circumventing existing gun laws and knowingly purchasing a gun for somebody they have to know is unable by law to purchase it for themselves (or they wouldn't need the straw purchaser).  

    Only way around straw purchases and guns being burgled from houses ending up on the street is a registration system much like owning a car where you need to get a plate tag every year.  Guns should have to be registered and have yearly checks to make sure they are still in care and control of the purchaser.  If a gun owner was held accountable at a much higher standard if they showed up for re-registration and no longer had a gun in their possession and couldn't account for it (ie privately sold it without going though proper channels) they'd take better care of it ie a gun safe at home.  Also this would end straw sales as the purchaser would have to be in yearly contact with the person they sold the gun to because they'd have to get it back to re-register it under their name every year versus straw purchase of it and never seeing it again or paying it a second thought.    

    "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness" -Annie Savoy (Bull Durham)

    by Jacoby Jonze on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 08:12:09 AM PST

    •  It does say 'keep' in the 2nd Amendment. But (4+ / 0-)
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      the keeping part of keep and bear arms has not been made into law.  Or into a very strong law.

      They keep their guns 99.99% of the time, and yet society is expected to pick up the slack in the 0.01% of the time in which they fail to keep.

      A gun owner's, oopsie silly me the bad guys got my gun, is my problem not their problem.  

      Sign my White House Petition Enforce the KEEP in the Second Amendment We don't have a problem with gun control, we have a problem with gun owners controlling their guns.

      by 88kathy on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 08:43:18 AM PST

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    •  20% of US guns is what - 700k or thereabouts ? (4+ / 0-)
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      that is one hell of a lot of illegal firepower.

      •  I've seen a trunk filled to the brim with guns (3+ / 0-)
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        Many of them hand guns, some shotguns, a few riles, semi auto like a tech 9, etc...

        The proliferation is huge, so we are not only going to have to address straw and trafficking but also get a big push towards buyback programs.

        --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

        by idbecrazyif on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:11:31 AM PST

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      •  What is the baseline number you're... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...using there?

        In a survey of arrested felons, the Justice Department found that about 27% had bought them over the counter (which means they got them in spite of the background check requirement); 31% got them from family and friends (who had bought them in stores or legal dealers) and 42% got them "by other means,'' by theft or from private owners who don't have to do background checks. Almost all guns that wind up used in crimes or found in searches of people who are legally barred from possessing them start out as legal. But the actual numbers? That is much, much harder to determine given the restrictions placed on use of data and the sheer number of guns in circulation.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:31:53 AM PST

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      •  I don't think your math works. (0+ / 0-)

        That would be 20% of street guns.  Not sure how you determine a street gun but the number you factor would be 20% of all guns - no?

        "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

        by newfie on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:47:02 AM PST

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    •  Yeah. But we can't even get congress (3+ / 0-)
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      To pony up enough money to pay for food inspection, or drilling platform inspection.  How are you going to get them to agree to pony up for individual firearm safety/ownership inspections??
      I'm not saying its not a good idea.  But it's a very expensive idea.  Is there a way to modify the inspection regime to make it more automatic and cheaper, without giving up efficacy?
      Requiring proof of gun safe ownership before gun purchase is a start, along with proof of certified gun safety class, is a place to start.  Maybe required a gun insurance program that  jack up your premium to original purchase price unless you re register the gun every year?
      We require registration& fee, and emission inspection on cars, and proof of insurance on cars.  Can that be made to work with guns?

      •  Well, a cheap thing Obama could do is issue (2+ / 0-)
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        an executive order reassigning all of the agents at the DOJ working on pot to investigating people perjuring themselves on the background check applications and other existing federal gun laws.  Since most of the resources, including the agents, are already in place the cost should be minimal.

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 10:12:45 AM PST

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      •  I see the DMV in each state (3+ / 0-)
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        as potentially playing a big role.  DMVs:

        1. Have experience with licensing
        2. Have the ability to administer written and practical exams
        3. Have the ability to connect securely with state central computers for the purpose of background checks

        It would seem to me that a person should have to successfully pass a practical and written safety test prior to getting a license to purchase a weapon, and that that license should be obtained from a state agency that can leverage ecconomies of scale and experience in streamlining the licensing process.

        Just an idea.

    •  Seems to me (2+ / 0-)
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      that this covered in the 2nd amendment the 'well regulated' part. I notice however that in the modern interpretations of this amendment those who are protecting this sacred amendment say that this whole part of the 2nd amendment was not even intended. The constitutional literalist's conveniently disavow any reading of our rights that does not fit in with their own agenda as far as rights go.    

      •  That is because (2+ / 0-)
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        Antonin Scalia is a dishonest hack.

        He argued that the prefatory clause was not binding on the objective clause, the second part.

        He was wrong, and he was wrong for a very simple reason ...

        It was very easy for the Founders to make an individual right to keep and bear arms clear:

        "The government shall make no law abridging the right of the people to keep and bear arms".

        That sentence could have simply been added to the sentence that exists, and it wasn't, because they did not mean that.

        They could have even written that INSTEAD of what they did write, and the militia requirement would still be met.

        Nope, they wrote what they did quite deliberately, and Scalia either can't read, or doesn't want to.

        I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
        but I fear we will remain Democrats.

        Who is twigg?

        by twigg on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 11:11:46 AM PST

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