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  •  Initiate a process (12+ / 0-)

    This is a key phrase of what we're doing. We are not going to get meaningful gun control achieved in a few months or even a few years. This is a generational process of education, debate and fighting to make a serious impact.

    Remember that it was in the 70s that we started a campaign of cutting back smoking in this country. Remember the frantic and dishonest pushback from tobacco interests. And now, 40 years later, we have reduced smoking by a huge amount, uptake is still falling and there are fewer and fewer places that tolerate people smoking (disclaimer: I am a former smoker and after I quit for the second time, the stuff terrifies me.)

    Gun control is that kind of a battle. We are fighting an entrenched industry that makes enormous profit from peddling a lethal product. They work hard to maintain the fictions about benefits of gun ownership to gullible people. That is going to be the biggest hurdle to overcome in order to put in place sensible and meaningful controls to limit access to firearms.

    And make no mistake, the only way we are going to have fewer gun deaths and injuries is to have fewer guns in fewer hands. But it's going to take us another 40 or 50 years to get there.

    •  incremental gun control? (1+ / 0-)
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      WakeUpNeo

      Public opinion which is divided may take 40 or 50 years to change but laws should not be based on PO. These days PO polls are used to justify all kinds of dicey illegal policy. The propaganda, fear is catapulted to keep the publics opinion right where the owners of the place want it. Fear is fanned, crises are predicted, god is evoked and ignorance prevails. 'Terrist's are gonna kill yer family' Bush said. 13 years later and we're still losing our rights and fighting illegal wars under this insane bogus fear.

      Postponement of sane, democratic law is just another trick used to stop the populace from demanding needed change. I am really tired of gun 'rights'  advocates arrogantly telling me that any gun control measures are not possible. Worse yet is the argument that Democrat's should keep their mouths shut about this as it will lose them votes. This is intimidation and another way of fear mongering.

      Lot's of people even some gun owners want something done to control this armed and dangerous faction of our 'culture'. Waiting around for the extremist's to come around to sanity is just saying forget about it. Generational my ass it's time to stop this madness.        

      •  I am not suggesting it can't be done (0+ / 0-)

        I am looking at history and the reality of political money and media that we currently face and positing that it is going to be a generational effort to achieve.

        That neither says nor implies that we shouldn't do it. It says and implies that we need to start now and keep doing it. We can't give up if we don't get laws passed in this Congress.

        Also not saying we should postpone anything sane or democratic. But it is not realistic to suppose that we're going to walk into this Congress and even pass the assault weapons ban that we had earlier and Bush allowed to expire. They have already made themselves clear on that and they, the Republicans currently have the power to derail anything we might propose. Like it or not, that is reality.

        So what? Start working now to change the public perception about the 2nd amendment and trying to get change made.

        Is it incremental? Maybe it is. Progress often is incremental. So is any journey you start - it goes a step at a time.

        I didn't say anything, if you will actually read my post, about not doing anything now. I said that it's going to take a long and difficult time to achieve what we want and need. That makes action now even more imperative, because it can't happen until we start.

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