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  •  You have it a bit muddied. (2+ / 0-)
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    Because Johnson (and others) opposed Lincoln's orders or at best didn't enforce them, the Radical Republicans were forced to amend the Constitution. They also overrode Johnson's vetoes on a whole bunch of other enabling legislation, making sure their vision of Reconstruction was the one we pursued, at least until 1876. The Radical Rs ignored Johnson the entire time he was President, in other words, but it wasn't for his lack of trying.
    We don't have that luxury nowadays, of course, so the analogy fails completely. Let's assume a split Congress, or even a fantastic one like we had in 2009-10. Do you think we could stop a Republican President from doing whatever s/he wanted to do in re: undoing an prior Administration's favorable (to our side) Executive order in those situations?
    Lastly, where on earth are you seeing Obama's signing statements overriding legislative mandates a la W? Put another way, what legislation is Obama not enforcing the way W (at the very least) continually threatened to?

    "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

    by bryduck on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 08:54:09 AM PST

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    •  It started with an Executive order, right? (0+ / 0-)

      Johnson did veto, but Congress pursued the intent of the order/Proclamation by Lincoln.

      Your inference is not merely wrong, but factually challenged that I said Obama overwrote any legislation - I wrote

      Look at signing statements under G W Bush - now President Obama has utilized the tool as well.
      .  That literally means he used the signing statement tool - NOT what he used it for.  

      Every time history repeats itself, the price goes up...East Wing Rules

      by Pithy Cherub on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:07:37 AM PST

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      •  That is what W used them for, though. (0+ / 0-)

        Obama is not doing that. If you are not arguing that point, then your statements don't seem to make sense to me.
        As far as the RRs/Lincoln/Johnson, yes, there was an Executive Order, or a set of them, to be accurate. It was then ignored/rescinded by Johnson--the very thing you argue he would

        have a hard time undoing
        . In fact, he had a very easy time undoing it. The only reason he didn't succeed was because of the RR actions in Congress and the states.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:15:49 AM PST

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    •  I wish the current Radical Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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      were like the civil war era Radical Republicans.

      I'd be one.

      •  Be cautious in this regard. Many ... (4+ / 0-)
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        ...Radical Republicans did not support black suffrage; indeed, they were backers (as was Lincoln in first draft of the Emancipation Proclamation) of colonization: sending free blacks abroad, to Africa or wherever.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:18:44 AM PST

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      •  Socially? Sure. (0+ / 0-)

        Economically? They aren't so far off the current model, to be honest, so I can't sign off on that . . .
        You really can't make one-to-one comparisons beyond the New Deal era in re: the party platforms on a lot of issues.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 09:18:46 AM PST

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