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  •  I don't need to justify my right to defend myself. (5+ / 0-)


    •  With a weapon capable of committing (1+ / 0-)
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      almost instantaneous mass murder, you should.  If your chosen method of self-defense was dynamite, you'd get the same response.  You seem to think your right to do whatever you want whenever you want isn't abridged ever, at all, by how that right infringes on the rest of society's pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

      Personally, I think if you want to defend yourself with a hunting rifle, or a revolver, or as I keep hearing are just as affective, a hammer, or a pen, or a chair... knock yourself out.

      •  So, you want me bare-handed. Got it. (2+ / 0-)
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        My AR15 is a hunting rifle, and used as such. It is also a defensive rifle, fortunately I have not had to employ it that way.  Its design is over 60 years old.  You may not have it.

        My Colt 1911 is a defensive sidearm.  It hold 2 rounds more than the average revolver.  Its design is over 100 years old.  You may not have it.

        I have never claimed that I have a "right to do whatever (I) want whenever (I) want", so you are either confused, lying or setting up a strawman (which is really a subset of lying).

        Try again.

        •  Who is confused, lying or setting up a strawman? (1+ / 0-)
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          Assuming the phrase "bare-handed" means without a gun, no, that is clearly not what I said.

          I am still baffled by everyone claiming they hunt with weapons that McChrystal and other military people openly acknowledge are designed for combat - not hunting.  You can call it a hunting rifle all you want, and use it as such, but when I refer to hunting rifles, that is not what I am referring to.

          You didn't say you want to do whatever you want whenever you want.  I assumed that was what you meant by your absolutist statement.  If you didn't really meant that you don't need to justify your right to defend yourself [with whatever gun you want], period, then my apologies.  I assumed that was what you meant.

          •  I'm military. (0+ / 0-)

            McChrystal is an ignorant ass who doesn't know what he's talking about on this subject.

            By your definition, my 1917 Eddystone isn't a hunting rifle either.


            •  I don't have a definition (0+ / 0-)

              I'm not interested in guns, nor am I impressed by encyclopedia-like knowledge of guns... Or wannabe encyclopedia-like knowledge.

              It's not just McChrystal, but even if it was, I'd trust him over you.  All I care about is getting weapons capable of the instantaneous mass destruction Adam Lanza caused away from would-be mass murderers.  If that inconveniences you, honestly I don't care.

              In my profession, I analyze people's assets on a daily basis, including their guns.  For all the talk I see online of the popularity of these absurd weapons, I actually see them rarely owned by people.  Most people that own weapons own what regular people think of when they think of guns in common use - 22's, pistols, revolvers, shotguns, etc.  I'm just not convinced by people on the Internet throwing fits over their need for military style semi auto weapons that were clearly inspired by/designed for combat.

              •  I am not a "would-be mass murderer". (0+ / 0-)

                And you're not looking very hard.  

                "regular people" doesn't mean what you think it means.  

                And when you use the term "military style", you have just conceeded that these are NOT military weapons.

                Thanks for playing.

                P.S.  By your last phrase, you've completely missed my earlier point: Nearly every hunting rifle in common use is derived directly from a former or current military weapon.  Now what?

                •  Of course they're not actually military weapons (0+ / 0-)

                  Thankfully our laws aren't that absurd, though I'm baffled that the NRA hasn't lobbied for that... Or probably they have, and it just went nowhere.

                  What I think it means?  There is no universal meaning to "regular people."  The phrase means what it means to me, in my world.  I'm sure there are plenty if pockets if people, particularly in the south and rural areas, that love these weapons, but still, in my experience, I don't see them much.  There is no widespread, nationwide googoogahgah love for them.  And frankly, love for these weapons doesn't make me think of anyone regular.  I think being obsessed with these guns is weird.

                  All weapons definitely come from military inspired situations - that is why guns were invented.  But not all guns have the capability of destruction that Adam Lanza demonstrated (amongst others, who we all chose to ignore).  People don't need to buy weapons designed for spraying the street with bullets in mere seconds.  No one wants to take your guns away, you will continue to "bear" them legally, but our society doesn't need a constant influx of these highly destructive, highly unnecessary, highly deadly weapons.

                •  By the way (0+ / 0-)

                  I never said or implied that you are a would be mass murderer.  The fact is, having widespread ownership and sales  of these weapons makes them much much much easier for the would be's to acquire.  We regulate all kinds of things for that reason.  For example, I believe you are not a would be mass murderer, but I wouldn't support your right to buy however much dynamite you think would be fun to play with at your corner Walmart, because that would mean seriously dangerous people could also acquire it at the corner Walmart.

          •  P.S. Or my grandmother's... (0+ / 0-)

            Winchester Model 1894, manufactured in 1896.

            You can't have that either.

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