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  •  This will make an interesting (1+ / 0-)
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    test case.   It is alleged (and maybe some statistics support it) that tight gun control or restriction result in increased crime rates.   Let's give it a year and see what happens.

    •  LOL (8+ / 0-)

      Yeah, because government research that even might suggest more gun control was outlawed.

      Of course what's left will "suggest" such things. Dur.

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 04:07:46 PM PST

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    •  I can give you a statistic right now: (16+ / 0-)

      New York City has even tougher gun laws than the ones the state just passed, and last year, 2012, we had the lowest number of gun homicides since they started keeping accurate records 50 years ago (1963).

      That number is 414, for a city with a population of 8,200,000. In Manhattan there were 22 gun homicides for the entire year.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 04:08:46 PM PST

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      •  To what extent is that gun control ... (6+ / 0-)

        ... versus stop and frisk and police practices we detest, or general economic conditions crowding poor people of NYC, or ....

        •  Or the decrease in (7+ / 0-)

          lead poisoning, or Roe v. Wade...you know it's very difficult to tease those threads apart.

          I tend not to give much credit to stop & frisk. I think Bloomberg & Co. are touting it because they want to justify it, but unlike the gun homicide number, which they have been shouting from the rooftops, I haven't heard a peep about how many illegal weapons they've actually seized through s&f.

          General economic conditions would tend to increase gun violence, not diminish it. And despite what it may look like from elsewhere, average NYCer's are not doing that great economically.

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 04:47:59 PM PST

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          •  +1 just for mentioning lead poisoning (5+ / 0-)
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            One of my former college classmates is doing a lot of research on that connection.

            •  It would be wonderful if (1+ / 0-)
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              that one thing were the key, but I doubt it. Lead paint was in constant use for most of the 20th century (and was recommended by doctors as more sanitary than wallpaper!); if it were the most prominent cause of violent behavior we would have been awash in mayhem for 75 years.

              I was very taken with the Roe theory. I hear that recently it's been debunked, though I haven't read up on why yet.

              While belief is a poor substitute for data, I think that someday we'll understand that crime waves are caused by multiple factors, most of which have already been identified: poverty, bad parenting (which itself has many causes), lack of education, lack of job opportunity, drugs, environmental factors such as bad nutrition and lead paint...but one thing I don't think will change is that in a heavily-armed society, more people are likely to get shot.

              Put simply, if you can't get a gun, you can't shoot anyone. And guns are far deadlier than any other weapon an attacker might choose. Shortly after Sandy Hook, there was an eye-opening diary here (sorry no link) by an EMT, explaining why gunshots are so much more serious than wounds from other types of weapons, especially stab wounds which are rarely fatal. There was a "mirror" incident in China, just a day or two after Sandy Hook, in which a deranged man stabbed 22 schoolchildren. Not one of them died.

              "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

              by sidnora on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 06:07:57 AM PST

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