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  •  It's argued that people need guns to protect (3+ / 0-)
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    themselves from a potentially tyrannical federal govt.  I'm merely pointing out what happened the one time that argument was put to the test.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 08:06:32 PM PST

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    •  IMO 2nd Amd aided the first (11+ / 0-)

      It's remarkable how quickly federal authority was displaced in the states of the Confederacy once secession began. Part of it might have been popular support against the Black Republicans (three guesses why they were called that), but having a highly armed populace, who were also able to seize state militia arsenals once secession was proclaimed, must have made it much easier.

      If you adopt the Confederate view that Lincoln's election was the presage of a coming tyranny from the federal government, the Second Amendment--to the extent it promoted an armed populace and a source of military power independent of the federal government--worked to perfection; the 'tyranny' of the federal government was overthrown. Now, just as in the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, these same militias were then shown to be wholly unsuited to defense of their newly-independent State from a powerful conventional military threat.

      Legal arguments aside, the notion that giving every voter an assault rifle today will be able to resist a tyrannical federal government tomorrow is... fanciful to say the least.

      •  If the clip in the diary is correct, (11+ / 0-)

        the Constitution provides that the supervising and regulating of state militias is something that the Federal Government is in fact chared with doing and granted the power to do. That is the 'regulating' in the well regulated miitia. Nothing in there about the keeping and bearing of arms intended to allow individuals to use said weapons to resist the Federal government at all. Indeed, the power of the Federal government to call up militia to suppress insurrection is clearly specified.  Here is the relevant part of Article I, Section 8

        To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

        To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

         and the Second Amendment
        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
        I don't know how the second amendment can have been made forthe purpose of providing a miitary force to run an insurrection against a tyrannical Federal government when the said supposedly tyrannical Federal government can call them up to suppress  . . . insurrection and protect the security of a free State.
      •  It isn't just the south where you wear your guns (1+ / 0-)
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        like you do your shirt and pants and where militias are viewed as a civic duty like belonging to the American Legion, masons, elks, odd fellows, hell's angels or yippee's blurring the distinction between church and state, veteran, citizen, place to drink beer and play poker, dress up funny and raise funds for the cause.

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        by rktect on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 05:14:54 AM PST

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      •  John Floyd aided the CSA (4+ / 0-)
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        When it became clear war was likely, James Buchanan's Secretary of War  transferred a lot of weapons to armories in the South - possibly up to 120,000.

        We get what we want - or what we fail to refuse. - Muhammad Yunus

        by nightsweat on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:07:15 AM PST

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