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  •  Dr. Bogus, you can't be serious??? (6+ / 0-)

    A "doctor" whom quotes movies as legitimate source materials?

    392. FIRST BLOOD (Carolco Pictures 1982) (involving National Guard's manhunt of Vietnam War veteran John Rambo against background of official treachery and betrayal).

    393. DEATH WISH (Paramount Pictures 1974) (portraying bleeding-heart liberal's turn to vigilantism as only way to combat rising crime and decadence in New York City after murder of his wife and rape of his daughter).

    394. COMMANDO (20th Century Fox 1985) (involving kidnapping of former special commando strike force colonel's daughter).

    395. See GIBSON, supra note 388, at 69.

    396. DIRTY HARRY (Warner Bros. 1971) (involving character of Inspector Harry Callahan and his unconventional attempt to fight crime in increasingly violent and decadent New York City, with officials, for reasons of personal aggrandizement or professional incompetence, often frustrating law enforcement efforts).

    397. WATERWORLD (MCA Universal 1995) (involving character of mutated human and his attempt to find land in future where Earth is covered by water and civilization has collapsed).

    398. TWELVE MONKEYS (MCA Universal 1995) (involving man sent back from plague-ridden future to stop mysterious underworld group from destroying civilization).

    399. THE TERMINATOR (Live Entertainment 1984); Terminator 2: Judgement Day (Carolco Pictures 1991) (involving fight between small band of humans and evil machines in world of chaos following nuclear holocaust unleashed by machines).

    400. ALIEN (20th Century Fox 1979); Aliens (20th Century Fox 1986); Alien 3 (20th Century Fox 1992) (involving battles between space aliens and humans who have been betrayed by leaders who ¾ for personal profit ¾ are attempting to capture rather than destroy evil and uncontrollable aliens).

    401. MAD MAX (Orion Pictures 1979); THE ROAD WARRIOR (Warner Bros. 1982); MAD MAX BEYOND THE THUNDERDOME (Kennedy Miller Productions 1985) (portraying brutal life in post-World War III world).

    One you'd have re-write our actual history just because you want to believe it?

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    We have the Bill of Rights because States like New York, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Virginia.

    The 2nd Amendment was one of many taken directly from Pennsylvania's Declaration of Rights!

    Remind me again how New Hampshire was a slave state, will ya?

    http://www.usconstitution.net/...

    XII. Congress shall never disarm any citizen, unless such as are or have been in actual rebellion.
    Please take some time and review the actual historical documents contained in our Library Of Congress and read the real history they contain, not this whitewashing and complete re-write of it.

    Don't take anyone's word here, not even mine, read the documents yourself!

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 08:30:18 PM PST

    •  Bogus Argument (6+ / 0-)

      He has 506 citations in his paper, you chose 10 of them.  All of these were taken from a single paragraph in he is making the claim for an archetype of the hero in popular culture used to sell the need for guns to the public.  The movies are his evidence for the archetype, so popular culture references are entirely appropriate.

      If you want to engage in a serious debate about whether the archetypal hero is an accurate depiction of popular culture, fine.  The short list of movies can be reasonably claimed to be cherry picked.  But don't dishonestly pretend that the movies he cites are his evidence for his main thesis about the purpose of the second amendment.

      •  Fair enough, I'll explain. (3+ / 0-)
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        Robobagpiper, FrankRose, CS in AZ

        When he uses modern interpretations as you put it:

        popular culture used to sell the need for guns
        It is a red herring that does nothing to establish historical context of the 2nd A when it was ratified as part of the Bill of Rights.

        It may be accurate today but it's inclusion reveals a bias intent on misdirecting us from the actual documents he cannot and did not legitimately provide.

        Ignoring the actual debates in Congress was his first "re-write" to support his false thesis.  His second was taking Madison's words and then extrapolating them to the entire nation.  That's simply not true.  There were various beliefs and regional issues that he completely ignores.  Issues that New York, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Rhode Island made clear.  It wasn't about slavery.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 10:05:19 PM PST

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        •  I've started reading Bogus' paper (0+ / 0-)

          while I won't make any final judgement prior to completing it, he makes no secret of the fact that his motivation is to provide a counter argument to those who argument that the 2Amd is actually about the "right" to insurrection.

          This means that, whatever the final merits of his analysis, his paper has an political agenda. Ideologically driven arguments are notoriously unreliable for the simple reason that the preferred conclusion precedes and motivates the gathering of evidence, rather than vice versa.

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 11:33:34 AM PST

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