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  •  Slave patrol, Indian extermination, Insurrections. (28+ / 0-)

    Thanks for delving into this.  As you say, the main reason for A2 was the south's perceived need to maintain slave patrol militias.  A second major factor was the perceived need in the 'west' to gun down Indians to take their land and protect from Indian uprisings, such as occurred even as late as the 1890s in the Dakotas.  The third major factor was General Washington's belief that we should not have a standing army due to the cost but that there was a need to have local militias ready to put down the rabble, at federal direction, in things such as Shay's Rebellion, without first having to rasie an army and transport it to the location of the rebellion.  This is wonderfully comical since it is the exact opposite of the silly notion that the gun nuts have that the purpose of A2 is for the rabble to protect themselves from the federal government. <-;  Good article up on this end of it at, um, Alternet or commondreams or daily beast, forget which.  CHeers.

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    by SGWM on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 12:38:43 AM PST

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    •  Even without the prod of preserving slavery (13+ / 0-)

      Some non-slave holding states like New York also pushed for the current form of the 2nd Amendment. My understanding is that is due to the requirement that states maintain militias subject to the training requirements of the federal government. The states didn't trust the feds to pony up the money to arm their militias but also couldn't afford or want to do so themselves.

      The 2nd amendment in that case was a solution to one of the original unfunded mandates. Militia members could be expected to furnish their own weapons in case they were called up.

      •  thank you (7+ / 0-)

        slavery was undoubtedly a factor here, but like with the civil war, it was not the only issue at hand.  it's not like the 2nd was enacted only because of slaves.

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        by Cedwyn on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 05:12:45 AM PST

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      •  Ordinance of 1792 or 1793 (1+ / 0-)
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        signed by Pres G Washington regarding weapons requirement for militia members. As stated above, the country was wary of standing armies, also too cheap to maintain armories or standing armies..

        Because the was a real and perceived need for weapons then, hunting, land grabs in the west, Indians wouldn't oblige and move etc. and there was no distinction between military and civilian weapons the 2A made sense.

        Those civilians that had rifles were in fact better equipped than the militia with their smooth bore muskets.

    •  Before we were a nation (9+ / 0-)

      back when we were fighting the French and the Indians  and the English land speculators, militias were formed to protect the frontiers.

      Back when Maine was still a part of Massachusetts Shay's rebellion included the Liberty Men who occasionally found it necessary to tar and feather the land agents who were on behalf of the owners of the Waldo patent, trying to sell them the land they had taken by force from its original inhabitants, the wolves and bears and Abekenaki.

      Along the line of what is now route 17 running from Rockland to Augusta revenuers and government men were no more welcome than an apple blight or more skunks, fishers, racoons foxes and coyotes eating the chickens.

      There weren't a lot of slaves in Maine but there were indentured servants. I'm not aware of the militia being used to keep them in their place, but its certain that from that time forward in this somewhat independent and self reliant area guns have been considered as much a tool as hammers, chisels and socket wrenches

      The armories and bunkers full of weapons that still exist in the very blue hills of Knox County and especially Warren, Union, Jefferson, Friendship and St. George are not there for hunting but rather for tooling up for the lobster wars that break out here on occasion.

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      by rktect on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 05:04:55 AM PST

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