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  •  You said it was never meant to be a (0+ / 0-)

    collective right. You are wrong. Look at my comment to this diary and you will see I agree with you. You can't re write history. I sited quite a few original northern state constitutions including New Hampshire's to debunk this made up theory that the 2nd amendment focused on maintaining slavery.

    As a defense against tyranny, only a collective right makes any sense. And it is explained as such in numerous state constitutions and in the 2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Regardless of an additional individual right to bear arms that may or may not have been intended. The collective right is explicit.

    A militia is never an individual. Use your head.

    •  An army of one. You are still mistaken hon. (1+ / 0-)
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      Please use your head here.  There is nothing explicit about the original text except that it was always about an individual right.  They removed it to prevent the central government from destroying the constitution itself.

      One can fight individually or collectively.  Whether or not a legitimate defense against tyranny is successful would be based on firepower.  Would I need my fellow citizens to fight beside me against a tyrannical government if I wielded a few nuclear bombs? Probably not.  Barring that extreme example, it would be beneficial for us to come together collectively and fight against the tyranny.

      A "militia" is always the individual, even in current US code:

      http://www.law.cornell.edu/...

      (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
      (b) The classes of the militia are—
      (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
      (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

      You can't have a militia without the individual, period.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 06:46:13 AM PST

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      •  Dont call me hon, asshole. (2+ / 0-)
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        Your attempt to make militia mean an individual is one of the most idiotic comments I've seen on this issue.

        You must be the unorganized militia.

        •  Nope, I'm over 45 yrs of age, hon. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          So, where's that theory of yours again? How's it fit into the reality that many people over that age actually own firearms? Or what about housewives? Are they part of the militia too? NOPE.

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:14:22 AM PST

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