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  •  This is a threat to (4+ / 0-)

    the United States as a democracy.  It will be the end of our system of government if the Republicans achieve this objective.

    •  Yeah. So was Bush in 2000, 2004. (7+ / 0-)

      Nobody got worked up over that, including the Democratic U.S. Senate.

      It's about time that the Democratic party--as in leadership, as in, people paid to pay attention to this stuff--took some responsibility and actually led on issues like this, issues that directly affect their ability to keep their power.

      I'm sick of watching grassrooters taking the lead, working their asses off on a shoestring budget or no budget at all, and getting, essentially, the same bunch of apathetic inertia-ridden lumps in office, whose constant refrain is "We can't do X.  That's not how DC works."

      If they want to keep their power, let them motivate and actually do some of the work to keep it, or at least show some leadership to the people who are doing the (unpaid) work for them.  What the fuck is the DNC for if not for this? Why do we have to find this out on DK, from someone who (I'm pretty sure) doesn't get paid for it? Where is Debbie W-S, or for that matter, Steve Israel?

      if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:01:12 AM PST

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      •  Fair questions, all. (2+ / 0-)
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        Where was the DNC during the Wisconsin recall election? "More and better Democrats."

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:12:31 AM PST

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        •  I'm sick of having a party that's not a party. (2+ / 0-)
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          And constantly being called upon to rescue it.  Why doesn't it put an oar in and attempt to rescue itself for a change? That might inspire me to some action. If the establishment doesn't care about preserving itself, why the hell should I?

          if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:12:16 AM PST

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        •  Yeah, no shit. (1+ / 0-)
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          For that matter, how about the D-trip's hands-off approach to Zerban's challenge to Ryan?  They make deals in DC not to go after certain people, and then leave good Democratic candidates hanging out to dry.

          if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:13:18 AM PST

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          •  We just push them to the left, don't we? (0+ / 0-)

            We let them know their timidity isn't going to fly.

            "If the people lead..." and all.  

            It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

            by karmsy on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:21:51 AM PST

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            •  My desire to push them (1+ / 0-)
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              is, at this point, conflicting with my desire to stop saving their lazy I-can't-be-bothered-if-it-doesn't-involve-$500/plate dinners asses.

              Here's a huge threat from the Republicans to their ability to keep their seats, and I hear it from...an unpaid activist on Daily Kos.

              Again, if they don't care, why should I?  Or, in other words, show some damned backbone, man! This is politics!

              if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:40:21 AM PST

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              •  You bet it's politics. (1+ / 0-)
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                What happened to NARAL after Roe V. Wade? Became irrelevant, that's what. Laughable, even. What has happened to reproductive rights in decades since Roe V. Wade? The most reactionary elements of this culture have perceived the vacuum created when organized feminism became moribund, and it's moved in to end them. They've made big strides in doing just that, too. MoveOn.org, another one-time grassroots movement that has become very top-heavy, different issues, same story. We don't let that happen here. We keep stirring the pot with our activism.

                It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

                by karmsy on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:58:50 AM PST

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                •  We need a better place (1+ / 0-)
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                  to funnel our pot-stirring energy than a bunch of people who apparently don't give a shit about real threats to their seats.

                  What we need is some real infrastructure connected to real politicians that give a damn

                  if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

                  by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 09:09:14 AM PST

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                  •  Well, it's the old (1+ / 0-)
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                    Democrats-vs.-3rd-Party conundrum, isn't it?

                    It's really a personal decision, how you direct your money and energies for progressive change. There are good, responsible arguments to made for either kind of involvement.

                    It's an area that still unresolved for me, though I've chosen to remain a Democrat--to stay with this one analogy. It's a well-established Party with many resources smaller political parties lack. I'm really comfortable with the notion of a "Big Tent," and having to work with others very different from myself to get things accomplished.

                    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

                    by karmsy on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 09:52:07 AM PST

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                    •  But it doesn't have to go there (1+ / 0-)
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                      At least, I don't think it does.

                      I know Dean already tried this once, and we got our asses kicked, but we could try changing the party by creating infrastructure linked to politicians that we trust, as above. Democratic politicians like Grayson, Warren, etc. Even people like Zerban.

                      The problem I now have with working with those very different from me to get things accomplished is that it seems to me that not a lot gets accomplished. I don't see that they have the same loyalty to those in the Democratic Wing of the Democratic party that we have to them. In fact, it seems like--in many cases-- they are happier working with Republicans than with us.

                      So I'm not necessarily saying go to a 3rd party. But if I'm going to stay in this party, I want my energy going to something that matters.

                      if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

                      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 10:02:45 AM PST

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