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  •  Here's the thing (4+ / 0-)

    how many multiple shots? And frankly a pump action shot gun is a far better home based self defense weapon against a single or multiple targets than an Bush Master style rifle.

    Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

    by jsfox on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:09:07 AM PST

    •  Ashotgun is not better for home self defense (10+ / 0-)

      When you're in a home invasion scenario, getting to that tool could be nearly impossible and then pointing it at the intruders then actually hitting them in close quarters is near impossible.

      If you live in a 4000 square foot home, okay then you've got room.

      If you live in a 400 square foot apartment, nope.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:27:26 AM PST

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      •  bullshit (0+ / 0-)

        TIt is no more difficult to get to than a hand gun unless you like leaving the under your pillow where the little kiddies can get them and blow each other away. BTW, every time you shoot a shotgun you are sending multiple projectiles. Hand gun or rifle, one.

        Also, most home invasions happen at night so unless you got night vision equipment you shouldn't be shooting ANYTHING b/c that violates gun safety 101

        When you say it is "common sense" what you are really saying is "I don't have any evidence to back up my argument", because it is quite often neither common nor sense.

        by kaminpdx on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:33:04 AM PST

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        •  Really, home invasion only happen at night? (4+ / 0-)
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          Explain this then:

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          Multiple projectiles that will not stop an intruder in their tracks unless your within 15 feet of them.  If I am going to use a weapon, I want it to stop them immediately and know they can't get back up to continue their attack against me.

          I must identify the target first? While I agree it is a very good rule, how does that work when you're being beaten while still laying in bed? I have a weapon but opsy, I can't see who it is that is beating me, so I must wait until they stop beating me so I can see them BEFORE I discharge said tool?

          How does that work for our police again? How many people have they killed while falsely claiming they saw a gun?

          If we grant that exception to police, then I demand the same exception...It's called:

          Equity Under Law.

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 09:00:27 AM PST

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        •  Most home invasions occur during business hours (3+ / 0-)
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          Not because criminals clock in like the wolf on the old Warner Bros cartoons, but because they want to break in when nobody is home.  As a result, I think guns should be stored securely and discretely when you aren't home.

        •  My handgun is on a holster on my belt. (1+ / 0-)
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          Why would anyone other than an idiot leave it under a pillow, kids or no?

          My shotgun has alternating 00-buck and slug loads.

          00-chambered, 00, slug, 00, 00, slug, 00, 00, slug, and 4 spares in the stock.

          As for "multiple projectiles", at across-the-room, in-home defensive distances, you'll be lucky to se a 6" spread in the shot pattern, so it's best to treat it as a single (large) projectile for aiming and damage purposes.

          Addressing "night", they came up with a nifty new gizmo you might have heard of... called a "flashlight".  Based on technology over 100 years old.  And sometimes you can even turn the lights on, if the invader hasn't already done so.

           

    •  An AR-pattern rifle is lighter, shorter, easier... (1+ / 0-)
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      to handle, less recoil, slightly less noise.

      Of course, circumstances vary.

      So will your mileage.

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