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  •  Driving (8+ / 0-)

    is a privilege, not a right.

    "Everything I do is blown out of proportion. It really hurts my feelings." - Paris Hilton

    by kestrel9000 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:52:38 AM PST

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    •  there are lots of (2+ / 0-)
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      rights that are regulated and require a license.

      I want to hold a rally, I have to get a permit, and often even insurance, but your 2nd A out trumps my 1st A.

      Most people have to get a business license and follow various regulations. In fact, many regs are intended to KEEP people out of an occupation, DR, ATTY, CPA.

      So if other rights are not absolute, NEITHER are your gun rights!

      When you say it is "common sense" what you are really saying is "I don't have any evidence to back up my argument", because it is quite often neither common nor sense.

      by kaminpdx on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:50:07 AM PST

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    •  In modern America (0+ / 0-)

      It's a prerequisite for exercising a great many other rights -- like the right to eat.

      That argument is nonsense, and has been so for as long as I've been alive -- and Eisenhower was President when I was born.

      •  well, that makes 2 of us, demimondian (3+ / 0-)
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        but we don't have to agree on everything just 'cause we're of a particular cohort, temporally, do we?

        Here's the deal:

        The founding fathers -- and contrary to popular diaries here on DK they weren't trying to shore up slavery by writing the BoR -- had firsthand experience with all the ways it can go bloody damned wrong to be the guy stuck with a rock in a gunfight. They wanted to ensure that "the people" suffered no legal barrier to being equally well-armed when asked to turn out in defense of their homes, farms, families, communities, or states. They wanted all the people so charged with responsibility for that defense to have similar equipment and proficiency therewith.

        LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

        by BlackSheep1 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 12:55:31 PM PST

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        •  That's not what I'm talking about here (0+ / 0-)

          The issue was "is there a right to drive a car".  I was pointing out that in most of America, not being able to drive is a significant impediment to exercising other things which are unquestionably rights.

          As far as the argument about RKBA itself goes, I don't care one way or another why the Second was passed. I think we should repeal it and move on; it is fatally flawed.

        •  The USSC has ruled that guns can be regulated (0+ / 0-)

          without violating the 2nd.

          End of story.

          The priest said, "Today's sermon is called 'Liars', but first I have a question. How many of you have read Chapter 66 in Matthew?" Nearly every hand went up. "You're just the group I need to speak to," the priest said. "There's no such chapter."

          by Back In Blue on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 05:21:23 PM PST

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