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  •  OK let's go down the list: (5+ / 0-)

    Cannibalism: in some societies, cannibalism is the norm and even a religious event as you are supposed to eat your relatives in some cultures.  It is not universally seen as a negative practice.  In the US, I think the Dahmer, Fish, and Packer cases are the only documented examples though there are allegations regarding the Donner Party
    Wife beating: has only recently been viewed as negative behavior in the US.  Matter of fact lots of ministers think women are like children and need to be disciplined (popular culture: Ricky spanking Lucy and Ralph kramden's "To the moon, Alice, to the moon" were considered the height of comedy)  I would daresay the good ministers has many wifebeaters among his acquaintances
    child molesters: the lowest of the low but the good minister tries to tie it to sexual orientation.  If he were honest, he would admit most child molesters are heterosexuals  

    •  Sins against society (4+ / 0-)

      Cannibalism, child molestation and murder aren't "sins against society". They are crimes against people. We have laws against them because they hurt people - there is a victim. Children cannot consent, and no one would consent to being murdered.

      These affect society, certainly. But they aren't attacks against society. Homosexuality lacks a victim: no one is harmed, and people consent. It doesn't undermine society. In the city, you have to learn to get along with people, even if you don't like them that much. Cities are usually much more gay-friendly than the rural areas. Xenophobia is inherently anti-social. Someone who can't deal with people who are different is less social than someone who can.

      Some things are attacks on society: voter suppression, attacks on civil rights, etc. The only thing gay rights are an attack against is oppression. His idea of "society" is an authoritarian one where all are enslaved to his idea of what society should be like.

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 03:52:06 PM PST

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    •  It should not be forgotten that (2+ / 0-)
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      Christians in the "catholic" tradition (not just Roman catholics) practice what is, ultimately, a kind of ritual substitutional cannibalism in the celebration of the Eucharist. Also, it is a sort of substitutional blood sacrifice.

      What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

      by commonmass on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 03:54:35 PM PST

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      •  did I ever tell you about the time... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...well probably I didn't.

        Back in the early 1980's, when I lived in DC and when LGBT choruses were first getting going, the DC Gay Men's Chorus did a performance (among their first) as part of a service at MCC in downtown DC. Getting over my mild discomfort at attending church services (whatever would my nice Jewish mother think???), I agreed to go along with some friends, for the express purpose of seeing the Chorus in action; after all I knew quite a few of the founding members.

        Though the theology of the service itself was not particularly my cup of tea, the choral accompaniment was quite nice and all went well until communion was given. A couple of my friends were highly perplexed by my absolute refusal to participate.

        My explanation at the time: Either I don't believe in the symbolism, in which case I am a hypocrite, or I DO believe in it, in which case I am a cannibal...and am also incidentally violating an aspect of Kashrut that even I, lover of treif and fan of mixing dairy and meat though I might otherwise be, have no interest in disobeying.

        •  Story for story: (1+ / 0-)
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          Something-mumble years ago I took a college course on Classical Mythology.  Our professor at one point told us about the Mithraic religions, characterized by a central ritual in which a beast (frequently a bull; occasionally a human) was said to become an avatar of the god.  The avatar was torn to pieces, and its flesh and blood were consumed by the celebrants as a sacrament.

          She then went on to say that there is one religion in America today that has a strongly Mithraic tradition of its own, and asked if anybody could name it.

          And Iiiii sat on my hands, because I thought it would be bad form for one of the three Jewish students in the classroom to be the one to say "Catholicism."

      •  yep I forgot transubstantiation nt (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Swallow the Leader? n/t (0+ / 0-)

        The Aggressively Ignorant Caucus is getting aggressively ignorant again.

        by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 08:46:13 AM PST

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