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  •  Let's Get a Liberal to Run for President (7+ / 0-)

    So, given that the American people are fundamentally liberal and they back the liberal side of every important issue, why don't we get a liberal to run for President this time around? It's clear they want one. They voted overwhelmingly for Obama believing he was a liberal. It should be possible to get a liberal elected, if only the Democrats would try.

    Heck, they could even elect liberals to the Senate and House in far more states and districts than they already have. Think how it would empower the ten or so liberals in the Senate if they just had a half-dozen or so new liberals join them. And in the House...the sky's the limit.

    Or, better yet, some of our Democrats could get in touch with their inner liberal. It's easier and cheaper than electing new ones.

    •  Whoever the Dems pick to run for President has (5+ / 0-)

      to have a story the public can fall in love with and believe in.

      Obama has/has that story.  Romney most decidedly did not.

      Like it or not, there has to be a romance between the American public and its winning candidate.  

      That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

      by concernedamerican on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 05:22:39 AM PST

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    •  say what now? (1+ / 0-)
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      given that the American people are fundamentally liberal and they back the liberal side of every important issue
      since when are americans on the liberal side of every important issue?  is that how we ended up with single payer?

      i'm sorry, but that is just fanciful thinking.  passing an AWB would demonstrate in a new york minute just how NOT on the liberal side of every important issue americans are.  hell, the left isn't even united on the AWB.

      Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

      by Cedwyn on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 05:52:47 AM PST

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      •  ? (0+ / 0-)

        http://blog.timesunion.com/...

        http://tv.msnbc.com/...

        http://thehill.com/...

        I completely agree that the American people are not fundamentally liberal... but where are you getting the science that says the AWB is some kind of game-changer?  I can't find any non-NRA polling where it isn't overwhelmingly popular...

        Too Folk For You. - Schmidting in the Punch Bowl - verb - Committing an unexpected and underhanded political act intended to "spoil the party."

        by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 08:19:47 AM PST

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        •  that first link was NY only (0+ / 0-)

          and 58% in favor of an "assault weapons ban" must be taken with a grain of salt.

          here is the nitty gritty on the poll cited at your msnbc link:

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

          Q: Would you support or oppose a law requiring a nationwide ban on semi-automatic handguns, which automatically re-load every time the trigger is pulled?

          51%

          Q: Would you support or oppose a law requiring a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons?

          58%

          Q: For each item I name, please tell me how much, if at all, you think it contributes to gun violence in this country: the availability of assault weapons?

          45%

          only 45% of the respondents said "a great deal" and only 28% said "somewhat." neither of those is a majority.  yes, when combined, the number is formidable, but those are still discrete positions whose support doesn't necessarily overlap.    

          and i'm very sad to say that a lot of people are misinformed about how much "assault weapons" really contribute to u.s. gun deaths.  i wonder how many people would still support an AWB when they realize it would fail to address 98% of our gun death problem, e.g., a majority of u.s. gun deaths are from handguns. and a majority of them are suicides.

          also, you can shave several percentage points off of that 58% simply because "assault weapons" was not defined at all.  who knows what people had in mind when they ticked off "yes."

          it's one hell of a sticky wicket, mang.

          Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

          by Cedwyn on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:10:29 AM PST

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      •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

        It's just demonstrable fact. On every major issue the American people favor liberal policy, usually by majorities of 60-70%.

        What's fanciful is the notion that we're a conservative nation. That's doesn't measure up in the polls.

        Take the recent election, a clear choice between a candidate the voters thought was a clear liberal (due to bombardment of campaign ads) vs. a guy they were convinced is conservative (because he spent literally months trying to convince them he is). The "conservative" lost to the "liberal" by about 4-5 million votes.

        You could have socialist healthcare in this country if they voters knew the facts.

    •  I appreciate your sentiment (2+ / 0-)
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      but I'd love to hear your recommendations for who.  The most liberal people I can think of are Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich but I can't imagine either of them having a snowball's chance of winning.  

      We have a new Rep in Arizona named Kyrsten Sinema.  Highly liberal but she's bisexual and a non-believer.  What percentage do you think she'd get in a national election?  20 maybe?  

      Obama is liberal in actions given how far the country had swung to the right.  Have you considered that perhaps he would have been much more if he'd begun in a country that had not undergone that transformation?  I think he will slide along to the left with the national consensus and you'll be pleased as punch with him as he slips into retirement.  It's how things work in this country.  

      "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

      by artmartin on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 08:01:10 AM PST

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      •  Plus, Dennis is busy cashing checks from Fox News (3+ / 0-)

        I would love to have a Bernie Sanders as President though

      •  Who? (0+ / 0-)

        Well, there are a couple people who would be liberal and could probably win national office. One is Sherrod Brown. He won in Ohio by a considerable margin. He's not perfect (no politician is) but as an example of a better candidate I would certainly pick him. Since Ohio is kind of the king of swing states, having someone who can take Ohio seems like just the kind of person we'd need to win the presidency.

        Then, there's Elizabeth Warren. We haven't seen her in office, but at least she has had the right positions, and she actually knows something about Wall Street (and maybe what to do with it).

        Here in Washington there's Jay Inslee. He was just elected governor. I think we should look at governors because politically it is easier in some ways to argue that a governor has the executive experience for the job.

        Jerry Brown would actually make a terrific President, but I know he's old enough that he can't be expected to serve 8 years, and I think we should pick someone that can go the whole route.

        There are probably many other people that would be good candidates, but simply lack the experience (so far) to be real contenders. Debra Bowen (CA Secretary of State) is a great person and I'd like to see her move up.

        The same goes for John Garamendi (who is in the House, now). He would need to be, say, governor for a term or something before going on. Same for Gavin Newsom, who was lieutenant governor.

        I think there are plenty of liberals (or, at least progressives) in the party and we should be working hard to promote them. (One reason I contributed to campaigns for the first three people I mentioned here, and other liberals, during the last election cycle.)

        But what's really more important than getting the right candidate is building liberal muscle. We need to pull together to build the community that these kinds of candidates need to get elected. I really think community is the most important factor in 21st century politics. If we get that right, we'll get the right candidates.

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