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  •  Let us look at the definition again. (0+ / 0-)

    "Liberty--NOUN:
            1) a)The condition of being free from restriction or control.
                 b)The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
           2)Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
           3)A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference"

    You will notice the phrase 'free of control' mentioned 3 times in the definition. You will note that we are talking about Gun CONTROL.

    "condition of being free from restriction or control" The AWB is a form of 'gun control' designed to restrict types of rifles and magazines.

    The definitions of words don't change because their meanings make you uncomfortable.

    If you don't think that the AWB is an infringement on liberty, you need to take it up with the dictionary.

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 06:18:52 PM PST

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    •  only 1a applies (0+ / 0-)

      1b does not apply because it is not a right.

      2 does not apply because the government control is not unjust or undue.

      3 does not apply because it is not a right.

      And even 1a is not being taken because 1a does not belong to all Americans since we are under a federal government.

      •  Take it up with American Heritage Dictionary. (0+ / 0-)

        Apparently you also have to take up the meaning of the word 'or'....as in "A right OR immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference"

        Of course, as you have finally admitted, it does fit the definition of the word liberty.

        Good luck continuing on your crusade against the ACTUAL MEANINGS of words.
        Hats off to you.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 09:42:10 PM PST

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        •  i have no problem with the dictionary (0+ / 0-)

          I have a problem with your application of the dictionary to your claim that a weapons ban takes away liberties of Americans.

          You have to demonstrate that owning a weapon with a thirty round capacity is a liberty of Americans.  You can' t do that from the dictionary. If it's not a liberty of Americans, then regulating it is not an infringement of a liberty of Americans.

          You can't argue this stuff from the definitions of words.  Not all liberties are unconditional by the Constitution.  You have to make a legal argument that this particular one is, which you have avoided doing.  I have argued here that by your logic, any law saying you must or must not do something is an infringement of liberty.

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