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  •  The feds cannot trace cars (1+ / 0-)
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    annecros

    back to an individual person.

    So.. it really isn't very easy.

    And so I agree with you, that tracing guns should be as easy.. in other words not traceable.

    •  Yes, they can (6+ / 0-)

      The can get to the registered owner, and that is usually good enough.

      Guns should be traceable to the owner.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:05:32 AM PST

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      •  True (2+ / 0-)
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        gerrilea, Bon Temps

        but they can't get to the car thief. They can't get to the person that bought cash for the car and never registered it.

        I can hear it now:

        "Say Clyde, let's stop by on our way to robbing this bank and register these guns so they can trace them to us!"

        "Sure thing Bonnie! We don't want an unregistered gun when we have to blow the copper's to bits!"

        •  What's your point? (4+ / 0-)
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          hnichols, blueness, luckydog, glorificus

          "We shouldn't do things because criminals will not obey" is last Wednesday's argument.

          We are doing it anyway.

          Then we will do more until we have a regime that begins to reduce the supply of illegal guns.

          Suggesting that "It's not fair", "It won't work", "it's not constitutional", "Criminals won't obey" ...

          We tried all that, and it didn't work.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          Who is twigg?

          by twigg on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:22:53 AM PST

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          •  We already have plenty of unenforced laws (2+ / 0-)
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            Bon Temps, FrankRose

            Half of the President's XO's yesterday were just memos reminding people that enforcing those laws is really important. Nothing much of substance, but perhaps the armed guards in schools.

            I think there was a letter mentioned. I bet it turns out to be strongly worded.

            But go ahead, do more things that don't work. But you are going to have to give up on those things that aren't constitutional, you know.

            Us law abiding citizens hold our rights in very high regard.

            •  That's the part that really gets me.. (2+ / 0-)
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              annecros, FrankRose

              Folks such as twigg want to erect these new bureaucracies enforcing gun registration (that gun owners would ignore), creating humongous databases and all the thousands of employees to manage it, only to find in a year or two these laws will be found un-constitutional.

            •  So you weren't bothered by the Sandy Hooks (0+ / 0-)

              massacre.

              You think 80-90 people dying a day by guns is acceptable. Don't do anything, because there are criminals.

              And FREEDOM, of course.

              You law-abiding citizens used to have no problem owning slaves, and as a woman, you didn't have a 'constitutional right' to vote until 1920.

              But FSM forbid those of us who mourn the unnecessarily dead try to improve the situation.

              Your "very high regard" makes me want to vomit.

              **Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does** h/t Clytemnestra/Victoria Jackson

              by glorificus on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 07:07:39 AM PST

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      •  Only if the states supply that info (2+ / 0-)
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        annecros, FrankRose

        There is no federal database of vehicles.

        As far as guns go, there are 300 Million guns in existence in this country.

        Do you really think gun owners are going to willingly register each and every firearm in their possession?

        Do you really think state law enforcement officials are going to even bother enforcing a goofy federal law like that? (Especially since some states have already said they will never enforce such a law?)

        Given the above, do you propose creating a new branch of government with tens of thousands of employees enforcing gun registration laws?

        What a joke..  And, even if you could do that, how many crimes do you think it would stop per year?  How many of the guns used in the 500 gun murders in Chicago last year would be registered under your grand scheme?

        Answer: Zero

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