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  •  Home Defense Thoughts (3+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean, PavePusher, Oh Mary Oh

    When the intruders are unarmed or only have a close-combat weapon especially, a good sword might be especially useful. I mean, it was the weapon of the soldier before the firearm replaced it, and there have been a number of successful news stories that I've seen where the owner used a sword to drive off or stop an intruder.

    Given the close quarters situation of (most) homes, a gun's superior range doesn't provide much advantage, and you could jump an intruder by a doorway.

    The length will give you an advantage over a knife-wielding intruder and can make up for a taller intruder who has better reach and/or strength.

    It's also more intimidating than a baseball bat, a famous defacto home defense improv weapon. One of the most famous home defense improvs next to the kitchen knife, which is also a weapon of last resort due to the poor reach.

    The only useful non-lethal one I can think of is a high end security system that instantly summons police or what have you. But not everyone can afford that, and if the intruder is determined to steal from you and doesn't care about killing you, that defense won't deter the worst kinds of intruders.

    A max charge stun-gun or pepper spray might be useful, but those seem better choices for portable legal weaponry like against a mugger, not for home defense. I mean I guess if you combined it with a baseball bat so you can make sure they wouldn't get up and kill you when the effects wore off. I would imagine beating a pepper-sprayed intruder with a bat is easier than beating one who is more able to actively fight back.

    The reason a shotgun is so often cited as a good home defense weapon is because A) it is a close quarters weapon, B) has little penetrating power versus walls, preventing accidental injury, D) requires less accuracy since it fires shot, and E) has good stopping power.

    There are other options though. I think people should stick to whatever they feel comfortable with, gun, sword, pet bengal tiger.

    You only get one life, and if someone is trying to sneak into your home and kill you, you have the right to defend it.

    I don't have a firearm, but thankfully I've never had to experience a break-in.

    Personally, that's why I always get 2nd floor or higher apartments. Less crime.

    •  Main difference (2+ / 0-)
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      It requires much more training to be effective with a sword than a gun.  There was a a great line in Jon Stewart's interview with Gen. McChrystal last week, that "technology has democratized killing power" (or something to that effect.)

      Those who support banning cocaine are no better than those who support banning cheeseburgers

      by EthrDemon on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 02:12:45 PM PST

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      •  Sure, to a degree. (1+ / 0-)
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        PavePusher

        But if the intruder is not a skilled fighter, you're lack of experience shouldn't be much of a deterrent. We're talking about thrusting/swinging a few feet of steel at a home invader, not dueling in the streets of Venice.

        It's kind of like a knife+.

        I mean, I wouldn't suggest something exotic like a meteor hammer or a three section staff. Those take skill to even operate.

        Even a machete would be an improvement over a kitchen knife.

        Actually, one of the better kinds of unskilled-fighter friendly weapons are polearms and spears. Just take a look at the farmer-fighters through history.

        Those aren't a very good home defense though (especially in a situation like an apartment), where you don't have the room to utilize a weapon like that.

        Actually I researched one of those sword-home-intruder-defenses and found this blog post, where this martial arts practitioner suggests other items: http://dojorat.blogspot.com/...

        The best weapon in the posters opinion? The mighty claw hammer.

        Not a bad call.

        Personally, I'd want something with more reach if I was actually forced to engage a home invader.

        I'd rather just it never happen at all though.

        While it's easy to go over technical schematics of various counter-measures in hypothetical scenarios, it's another thing to deal with scary stuff and a violent criminal invading your home.

        I can't even imagine.

        Note: That quote is spot on, though. They said the same thing about the crossbow when that was introduced, and it was just the next level of ease when the firearm came into play.

        Weapons have become easier and more efficient to use.

        •  I know of a case where a thrown spear deterred (2+ / 0-)
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          PavePusher, Oh Mary Oh

          an attempted home invasion. This happened in a nest of SCAdians, and the thrower went on to become King of the East a time or three. Anyway, he was home watching TV and minding his own business in a room full of sharp implements of destruction handily mounted on the wall. A pair of hands appeared on the windowsill - he grabbed a spear and flung it through the open window - the hands dropped loose and he heard feet beating it down the street. A few days later the cops told him he could retrieve the spear from the side of the next-door building.

          If it's
          Not your body,
          Then it's
          Not your choice
          And it's
          None of your damn business!

          by TheOtherMaven on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:11:21 PM PST

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    •  Misconcept (9+ / 0-)

      1) shotguns fire shot, but in 33 feet (top of stairs to bottom) the shot covers under 6 inches, not fills 6 feet.

      The owner can hunt or shoot clay targets with a shotgun, it's not just sitting there for the sole purpose of killing a person.

      2) swords, unless you own the rest of the Pirate costume and a Actors Equity union card, will be pre-determined to have a single purpose, the willful homicide of a person in your home.
      Proving otherwise in court, will be interesting.

      I'd suggest having a collection of Irish sword-dance music, and a kilt.

      "It's a recreational hobby.  I merely seized an object of opportunity, which happened to be my sword."

      Good luck on the tiger.  I'd opt for a badger and a tennis racquet.  Loft the badger, and "serve" to your opponent.
      Upon arrival, the badger will handle the rest without prompting.

      •  SCA membership card should suffice, for swords etc (2+ / 0-)
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        PavePusher, Oh Mary Oh

        Anybody who knows anything about the SCA knows that a lot of its members like to collect sharp pointy steel objects just for the hell of it - and in fact some of those objects, by certain "name" makers, have become collectibles (ask about a "Shadowmaker" knife - but be prepared to have your ear talked off....)

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:15:24 PM PST

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        •  I've had the occasion... (0+ / 0-)

          to be told "if Baron __ stops by, kindly give him these arrows.
          An hour later, "Mike" shows up.  
          So what are you here for Mike?  Ahh... arrows.

          I never knew Barons drove Subarus.

          There's the question of sanity, as folks who choose the heat of summer to meet enmasse in Pennsylvania... fail the "reasonable and prudent" test.

          Personally, as one trained in Kendo, I understand the use of swords and short swords.  The Masai spear has great utility in close proximity, and a pair of them is three times as good.
          Having a few other collectable African items in the house makes it an object of opportunity.

      •  Your comments always start my day.... (1+ / 0-)
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        Oh Mary Oh

        with a good belly-laugh.

        Thanks!

      •  Oh yeah, (1+ / 0-)
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        43north

        I'm well aware, but I mean a few inches can matter. My knowledge of shotguns is only academic (I've never fired one or even held one), but I've seen it mentioned as a good choice by people who do know firearms.

        Didn't know about the sword issue. The Garage Guy story I linked, he wasn't convicted of anything and it was judged legitimate self defense.

        As for the badger, that's a better idea than the tiger. Especially if its a honey badger.

    •  Your first suggestions.... (1+ / 0-)
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      mahakali overdrive

      require health and fitness, conditions not everyone has.

      And physical combat always works better with... (wait for it...)  training.  And it takes rather more training to acheive capability at melee combat than with a firearm.  (I have trained in both.)

      Your assertions on shotguns: B & D are incorrect.  Not sure what C was...?  A depends on circumstances and is not a constant.

      Recced for the wrap-up.

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