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  •  Empirical data (0+ / 0-)

    There may be all sorts of social science data—what conclusions it actually supports is another matter. Oddly enough, I hadn't thought we needed social science in order to certify the observation that racism has not vanished from American life.

    According to critical race theory, apparently we do. And, even more, it is not the case that racism today is a remnant of views that have come to be socially and politically unacceptable to the society at large. Instead, we must realize that such views are part and parcel of something called "white culture" (defined as the culture of white people).

    Therefore, the only way to extirpate the racism is to extirpate the culture. The road to that is to first and foremost indoctrinate the young (i.e. young whites), teaching them that this culture of theirs is poisonous in and of itself, apart from any particular act they or anyone they know may have committed. Amazingly, some parents and educators have problems with this as a school curriculum—go figure. Clearly, they do not understand that their very objection to the program is proof that the program is needed.

    It may be the case, as the diary says, that some people have difficulty saying what it is they object to in these courses, but that reflects, IMO, the tautologies and essential incoherences of what is billed as critical race theory.

    •  okay color me confused, incoherencies of (1+ / 0-)
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      critical race theory? please explain. i would hope that is a field with a pretty broad literature which you have thoroughly gotten into before making such a claim.

      •  Why, yes (0+ / 0-)

        thank you—I have gotten into it. I will confess, I found it so intellectually vacant that I wrote it off at least a decade back. I see nothing here to signal any advance in basic principles. It remains a self-referential, tautological, over-determined explanation of human actions and motives. I am unsurprised that teaching it to lower school students arouses suspicion.

    •  What the heck is "White Culture?" (0+ / 0-)

      Right there you created a myth, and then used it to defend racism.

      Do you mean the traditions of white Europeans?
      Do u mean the culture that whites enjoyed while African Americans, Chinese Americans and Hispanic Americans broke their backs to build America's infrastructure?

      Just because white people have insulated themselves from other races (we call that segregation) does not mean that white people own the culture or the experiences of our Nation and our society as a whole.  

      "Hey person of color, You can dig the ditch. You can lay the pipe. You can work on the crew that dams the river, but you can't by fuck drink from the god damned water fountain!"  That's white privilege.

      Take back the House in 2014!!!!!!!!!!!! (50 state strategy needed)

      by mungley on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 03:22:57 PM PST

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      •  Would you be happier (0+ / 0-)

        if I just said "dominant culture?" Does that change things for you? Is there a critical race theory complaint about something beside the dominant culture and its most egregious racist manifestation, white privilege? How about we go to, "culture of white privilege?" That sounds so much more intellectualoid.

    •  I didn't know (0+ / 0-)

      there was a casting call for someone to play the cop telling people "move on; nothing to see here" in order to limit, if not to shut down altogether, that which hmi finds objectionable...apparently, it is his mission to bollocks up the topic by moving the goalposts...

      Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

      by awesumtenor on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 03:44:02 PM PST

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      •  You're correct (0+ / 0-)

        Not about what I posted, but about what I take to be your self-declared "spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you."

        •  Thou hypocrite (1+ / 0-)
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          first take the beam from thine own eye... your insistence that your perspective of what others say be held as authoritative even by those who have made the statements in question  only proves the diarist's point and is a pointed example of the very privilege you are insisting is nothing but a fabrication.

          Quid erat demonstratum.

          Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

          by awesumtenor on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 09:19:08 AM PST

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    •  Fundamentals (1+ / 0-)
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      Therefore, the only way to extirpate the racism is to extirpate the culture. The road to that is to first and foremost indoctrinate the young (i.e. young whites), teaching them that this culture of theirs is poisonous in and of itself, apart from any particular act they or anyone they know may have committed.
      Whatever the shortcomings of critical race theory, it's difficult to dispute that any minority within a larger social structure is subject to the paradigms established by the majority. It follows that any such minority population will have a vital interest in combating the ruling assumptions of the majority where they are destructive to the minority. Particularly when such assumptions are enshrined and expressed in the social, political and economic institutions of the society.

      Whether or not it is accurate to describe this as a "culture" of dominance is a more complex question dependent upon the specifics of the society being examined. That such dominance exists is a matter of demonstrable fact.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:26:31 AM PST

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