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  •  I'd guess those are mainly service jobs. (13+ / 0-)

    The kind that can't be shipped overseas.

    But good for Santa Fe!

    Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

    by Jim P on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 05:15:25 PM PST

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    •  The distinction between goods and services is (3+ / 0-)
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      rather arbitrary. What is the difference, in the end, between an electric toaster and a maid holding the bread over the fire?  Even if the maid is paying close attention to see the bread doesn't burn, she can entertain with a ditty or play with the kitty, as well. Never mind the carbon that's spewed into the air we breathe to make the electricity to heat the toaster to burn the bread.
      In the beginning, toasters were made to last a lot longer than a kitchen maid. However, that era has long been replaced by planned obsolescence and/or failure by design.

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:54:52 AM PST

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      •  Yes. I inherited a bunch of tools from my Grandpa (7+ / 0-)

        Hand tools like pliers, hammers, chisels, wrenches.  
        The first thing you notice is how solid and heavy they are.
        Then you notice they were all made in the US, all of them.
        These things were probably made 60 or 70 years ago and still function perfectly.

        I can see Canada from my house. No, really, I can.

        by DuzT on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:09:48 AM PST

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      •  Was looking at new cars yesterday (2+ / 0-)
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        The salesman said the company doesn't undercoat them anymore. The reason was it would rust out earlier and I would be back sooner rather than later for another one. Couldn't believe he said that. Undercoating is an option.

        There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. - Sun Tzu

        by OHeyeO on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 08:17:14 AM PST

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    •  Or taken over by robots and AI. We really need (3+ / 0-)
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      to be grappling with robots and AI.

      It's not just outsourcing that's changing our economy.

      •  Well, AI is a long way off. Hell, we don't even (1+ / 0-)
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        have whole chimpanzee brain emulation working yet let alone for humans.

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:35:09 AM PST

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        •  But stupid AI is still taking the jobs that even (1+ / 0-)
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          the stupider parts of our brains used to do.

          Like, risk management, financial trades, managing how many goods need to be stored in warehouses, mixing medicines, preparing the soup in which DNA is place to analyze results, analyzing those results, etc....

          Computers aren't chimp brains, but they nevertheless increase the productivity of human brains.

          And that's the point.

        •  Taping teachers teaching classes, then having (2+ / 0-)
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          students all over the world learn from that one tape, reducing the need for stupid teacher brains.

          The computer, that stupid AI brain is reducing the need for stupid human brains, whether we like it or not.

          Even if chimp brains are smarter than AI brains.

          •  Well the eventual idea is to replace everything (0+ / 0-)

            with computers but that would require full emulation of every synapse and neuron in a human brain.  Not to mention dealing with the whole "AI rights" movement once sentient AI is available.

            You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

            by Throw The Bums Out on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:06:18 AM PST

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            •  I'm not talking about replacing every brain, I'm (2+ / 0-)
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              talking about the fact that we might be producing all we can, without the need of full employment.

              •  Reminds me of Star Trek: TNG Neutral Zone episode (5+ / 0-)

                Ralph Offenhouse was a financier. He was cryogenically frozen and sent up in a satellite. The Enterprise intercepted it a few centuries later and revived him. This exchange between Ralph and Picard has always stuck with me.

                RALPH: Believe me, I'm fully cognizant of where I am, and when. It is simply that I have more to protect than a man in your position could possibly imagine. No offense, but a military career has never been considered upwardly mobile. I must contact my lawyer.
                PICARD: Your lawyer has been dead for     centuries.
                RALPH: Yes, of course I know that, but he was a full partner with a very important firm. Rest assured the firm is still operating.
                PICARD: That's what this is all about... A lot has changed in three hundred years. People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of "things". We have eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions. We have grown out of our infancy.
                RALPH:     You've got it wrong. It's never been about "possessions" - it's about power.
                PICARD: Power to do what?
                RALPH: To control your life, your destiny.
                PICARD: That kind of control is an illusion.

                Picard has to send him back to Earth because of an encounter with the Romulans.

                RALPH: And then what will happen to us? There's no trace of my money – my office is gone -- what will I do? How will I live?
                PICARD: (amused) This is the twenty-fourth century. Those material needs no longer exist.
                RALPH: Then what's the challenge?
                PICARD: To improve yourself... enrich yourself. Enjoy it, Mister Offenhouse.

                Script from

                There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. - Sun Tzu

                by OHeyeO on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 09:16:43 AM PST

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                •  For a "smart lawyer" that guy was DUMB (3+ / 0-)
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                  It took him far too long to get it through his thick skull that the Enterprise was not a cruise ship - as if any ship named Enterprise had ever been any such thing!

                  If it's
                  Not your body,
                  Then it's
                  Not your choice
                  And it's
                  None of your damn business!

                  by TheOtherMaven on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:09:27 AM PST

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                •  In a later novel (3+ / 0-)
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                  In a later novel, Debtor's Planet, Offenhouse has become an advisor to the Federation on the Ferengi since they are as corporately minded as he is and he understands them in ways that most other 24th-century denizens do not.

                  I'd say that Offenhouse found himself a challenge and took it.

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