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  •  I think we've just been lucky (10+ / 0-)

    that people like Byron Williams, Cummings (Attempted Dirty Bomber), James Adkisson (Knoxville) and Van Brunn (Holocaust Museum Shooter) haven't gathered together to pull off a mass multi-pronged attack - the way the McVeigh pooled his resources with Terry Nichols to pull of the OKC Bombing.

    •  sure. but that's true with terrorism in (4+ / 0-)
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      general.  SOMETHING will get through.  But for a civil war in a stable society such as ours, you need these types to legitimately represent the sentiments of a large proportion of the population.  Despite Beck and Rush's large audience, most of even their followers know that they have it pretty good here, that most of the rhetoric is complete bullshit, and that they just like getting riled up for an hour or so a day.

      Not that it's harmless--not at all--but it's not as grand-scale as it sometimes seems.

      Regarding attacks--even if a major attack gets through (such as OKC), you're not looking at a civil war, but a small percentage of wackos.  I'm not saying that they can't cause some significant damage--they already have--but the fringe right makes noise because the public rejects them.  As I said in my first comment, they're not ascendant.  They thought they were with the Tea Party, but they're not.  Not at all.

      •  There *are* a lot of people who agree with (2+ / 0-)
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        LaPierre and with Yeager - nutty though it might sound to some of us.  On the basis of Federalist #46 alone, they have a point.  The question is when the shooting starts will those people rally in support of the Domestic Terrorist they are verbally supporting now - or will they recoil in horror.

        McVeigh thought people would rally to his cause.  They didn't.  I don't think they will - en mas - in the future, but the attacks will come.   As i document in this, and many other diariers I've written, they've already started.

        You'll know were in trouble when support groups for people like James Adkisson and Byron Williams start cropping up the way the so-called "Army of God" support anti-abortion murderers and terrorists like Paul Hill, Shelley Shannon, Eric Rudolph and Scott Reoder.  Wanna see something truly sickening? Go here if you dare, and see what I mean --> (Don't eat lunch first - big time NSFW!)

    •  Wingnuts of the 21st century aren't the force the (8+ / 0-)

      plantation oligarchs of 1861 were. The southern treason was so effective because the south was an armed camp, terrified of its own slaves, and culturally and economically cohesive. The presence of the slave population and the agitation of the anti-salvery movement gave the leaders of southern treason real threats to rally southern males to war. The slave patrols were maned by men who were deferential to the planters and often were led and organized by planters who had military training. This generational organization allowed them to quickly form an army across the entire south in pretty short order.

      Is there a powerful economic class in America that has an interest in armed rebellion and civil war? Where will the beer bellied wingnut warriors get money?

      A few bombs that slaughter innocents and even bank robberies to fund the slaughters will not make them very unpopular. And didn't the Oklahoma bomber get nabbed because his getaway car had expired plates? They are frothing at the mouth nut jobs. And Rand Paul is no Robert E. Lee or even a Jeff Davis. If these cranky gun huggers get together to form an army, they will probably get to arguing and then shoot each other. Then we can pry their guns from their cold dead hands.

      I think we have to fear and prepare for isolated acts of murder and terrorism by these vicious clowns, but they will never win the support of millions of other not insane Americans.

      Sandy Hook has meaning. Half of Americans don't own a gun, let alone a bushmaster.

      Local police are not going to go to prison or get into a battle with the US military to prevent background checks or die for Toothless Bob's 100 round magazine. No matter what some idiot law enforcement are saying now. Who is going to want their town turned into a battlefield with the Federal Government?  

      Am I too optimistic?


      •  Nope, you're spot on. (3+ / 0-)

        When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

        by Bisbonian on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 12:25:41 PM PST

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      •  What do you think the South is now, or some (1+ / 0-)
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        sections of the Midwest.  There's a reason Southern senators want all that military presence in their areas, and it ain't just money. And why the military forces have been evangelically infiltrated. There are already people out there who are not only prepared to do what McVeigh did, but who are now doing it on a variety of issues. Remember Dr. Tiller, may the Good Lord take care of his soul. The fella who went after the Olympics.  What the language whippers are doing is trying to reach out to the really crazy to get one of them to do the work the crazies want done without risking jail to do it.

        And not a single one of them has any thoughts whatever about what the day after that will be like.

        •  Those people are all connected (0+ / 0-)

          Eric Rudolph (Olympic Park Bomber) to Shelly Shannon (Arsonist, Shot Tiller in Arms) to Scott Roeder - all linked throough the

        •  The extreme speech that incites and condones acts (0+ / 0-)

          of political violence is going out of fashion. Nobody is going to think violent white suprememers or anti-abortion killers who slaughter innocents is any less mentally ill than the recent murderer in Newton. The Texas repug congressmen who excused the guy who wrecked a plane into a building because an IRS office was in it, won't be doing that again. And if he did even Texans won't re-elect him. The political party that opposes reasonable gun safety will pay a price for it. The next slaughter is less than a year away, probably before the next mid term. Sandy Hook has broken the fever, Americans are going to start being clear headed about state of the art military small arms on the streets of our communities. More people want freedom from gun nuts with assault rifles than want the freedom to live in a society where you have to be armed to the teeth to take your kid to school or go to a movie.

          There will be no war to stop reasonable gun safety laws. Maybe a stand off or two with man child militia beer bellies, but not anything like a war.

          I do hope I'm not wrong about this.


          •  They don't need to go to war (0+ / 0-)

            all they need is lobbyists, along with the Republican majority in the House, to ensure defeat of rational gun control measures. It's hard to say yet whether there will be a political price to pay for those who oppose gun safety...the sad fact is that those who care about children's lives are far less politically engaged than those who care about having guns. That will have to change before any kind of real gun control can happen.

            "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

            by Alice in Florida on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:35:37 PM PST

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    •  One-man multi-pronged attack: (0+ / 0-)

      Those who support banning cocaine are no better than those who support banning cheeseburgers

      by EthrDemon on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 01:53:10 PM PST

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