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  •  you are making the assumption that if he had (4+ / 0-)

    waited he would have relented.  I am not so sure since he did have at least a modicum of a "cooling off" period.  I am not so sure that a longer "cooling off" period would have made any difference in the long run.
    A point which I should have made is that it seems he may have some sort of history of domestic violence.  Domestic violence is a red flag on a background check.  The problem is that, for a variety of reasons, domestic violence is underreported so that those who should be flagged are not. I apologize for the omission  

    •  entlord, I am stating a fact - if he had (7+ / 0-)

      waited all 3 victims would still be alive.  That is a fact.

      Also, we don't know if a background check would have cleared if the check were more thorough with a 30 min requirement.

      This guy went to that Baptist minister, told him what gun he wanted, the Baptist minister did a background check, he passed, he took the gun and within 5 hours 3 people are dead.

      Also, we do not know if 30 days would have allowed him to "cool off" but there is a likely chance he would have.

      •  If you know anything about DV, (10+ / 0-)

        you will recognize and recant your last sentence. The likelihood of him "cooling off" is about zero when it comes to men who are violent against women and children. If anything, sometimes the longer they "stew" the more violent they become.

        I think it's a great discussion to have, a 30 day waiting period and I favor that, personally. I just think you are burying or flat out choosing to ignore an equally important story--that this is a classic case of domestic violence which we as a nation continue to ignore, to our own ongoing peril of our loved ones.

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        by Pager on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 09:33:23 AM PST

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        •  yes, and there is no (0+ / 0-)

          background check than can substitute for making it impossible to buy these weapons and hollow point bullets.

          DV is a huge problem, as is alcohol. There are all kinds of excuses reasons for gun violence that we seem to accept but don't really have to. I'm not saying making it harder to buy a super-lethal gun and cop-killer ammo is going to end DV or all gun violence, but it might make things a little less deadly.

    •  Doesn't matter (2+ / 0-)
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      If there were a 5-day waiting period, only that, he wouldn't have the gun yet, as only 3 days have passed since he initiated the purchase.  Regardless of what he might or might not have done in the future, those people would still be alive now.  At least they wouldn't have been shot by that person with that gun, because he'd still be waiting to get it.

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      by Land of Enchantment on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:59:55 AM PST

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      •  as noted by Pager above, is there really a (5+ / 0-)

        cooling off period for abusers and the short answer is "no" They are not reactive in their abuse; they are proactive.  That is one myth we need to get over.  My daughter's boyfriend was always claiming she "made" him do bad things (for example she said "No I will not give you half of my tax refund; I need to buy winter coats for the girls"  This statement made him pick up a lamp and try to hit her in the head with it)

        While the people would be alive today, please do not think that they would be alive in 30 days because he would have "cooled off".  There is no cooling off for abusers

        •  prevent him getting a gun at the store, (2+ / 0-)
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          does he steal one somewhere or instead beat his victims to death or stab them?

          Cannot guarantee a waiting period would have kept them alive.

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          by BlackSheep1 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 01:07:50 PM PST

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        •  OT, but I recently (2+ / 0-)
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          read a fascinating investigation of the language used by sociopaths, and they use more "cause-effect" language than non-sociopaths. In their minds, X caused me to do Y makes a lot of sense. He really did try to harm your daughter because she withheld something he wanted, thereby naturally "causing" him to (fill in the blank, there is no behavior too outrageous that can't be explained by being "provoked" in this manner).

    •  A waiting period saves lives (4+ / 0-)

      We will never know if he would've "snapped" after 30 days, but statistics show a waiting period saves lives.

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