Skip to main content

View Diary: Magic tricks, loopholes, government shutdowns and the debt ceiling (158 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  Hey.. I've got an idea.. (6+ / 0-)

    Perhaps the House and Senate should actually hammer out a budget.. a real bona fide budget..  you know.. kinda like they did in 1996?

    And this..

    In 1996, President Clinton, with seemingly less favorable political terrain, won the standoff.
    I wouldn't exactly say "won the standoff".  Clinton came out better in public opinion, most defintely.  But, Gingrich got a lot of the concessions (cuts) he was looking for.  And a few months later, Bill Clinton declared  "the era of big government is over."
    •  I think you are wrong about 1996 (14+ / 0-)

      Gingrich got very few concession especially when you consider the fact that the GOP controlled the Congress by large margins.

      It would be revisionist history to claim Gingrich won the standoff either politically or substantively. In fact, it would be factually incorrect imo.

      •  Absolutely. This was a major defeat for (12+ / 0-)

        Gingrich and was the beginning of his downward slide.

        Further, affiant sayeth not.

        by Gary Norton on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:39:24 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Hmmm.. I'll grant you "politically" (0+ / 0-)

        but substantively, it was at best a draw.  

        (And please don't misconstrue my comment as being anti-Clinton.  I think he was brilliant.)

        First off, the first shutdown (lasting 5 days from Nov 14th thru 19th) ended when Clinton agreed to a balanced budget within 7 years.

        Commitment to a seven-year balanced budget

        I'm not sure how many would call that a decisive Clinton victory..

        Throughout the negotiations that followed, Clinton's budget proposals did things like lower the CPI to lower Soc. Sec. payments  to "save" over 10 years.  That and a CBO announcement that the economy was doing better made negotiations easier.

        But, in the end, both won.. Gingrich came out looking like a dog but won in terms of policy.  Let's see how the NY Times put it in April of 1996:

        Who Won the Budget War?

        After 13 stopgap measures, 2 Government shutdowns, several vetoes and seven months of bickering, the White House and Congress have finally agreed to a budget. The political victory belongs to President Clinton, who was clearly on the defensive after the G.O.P.'s midterm triumphs in 1994 but in the end won major concessions from Republicans on the environment and other issues like abortion and homosexuals in the military. He also won the public relations war. Even though Republicans achieved big cuts in total spending, the President persuaded them to pump $5 billion into a few high-profile programs popular with voters.

        Along the way, both the House Speaker, Newt Gingrich, and the Senate majority leader, Bob Dole, lost traction. But for all Mr. Clinton's deft maneuvering around the Republican-controlled Congress, he did not win the policy war. Victory there went to the Republicans. They knocked more than $25 billion out of discretionary spending from levels approved by Congress when it was controlled by Democrats. Mr. Clinton fought hard to protect low-income families, but the budget deal sprinkles only a few extra dollars around the margins.

        Mr. Clinton rejected every previous Republican budget offer because none protected key domestic programs. The impasse led to a series of temporary spending bills that kept some domestic programs limping along with 25 percent less money. But under the final compromise agreement, Mr. Clinton managed to win back $5 billion for programs at the center of his domestic agenda.

        As I said.. at best a draw, policy-wise.

        But.. and I want to be very clear here.. that's a really good thing.. it's politics.  Clinton knew how to deal.. how to compromise to get what was important to him, while necessarily giving concessions to the other side.  It's called leadership.  It bears no resemblance to the fumbling we see today in Washington, both from the White House and Congress.

    •  Now I know why my VA perscriptons are not (0+ / 0-)

      being filled? I sure hope that is not why but I have requested several perscriptions (We can request a refill on active ones online and they mail them to us.) and not received some of them.

      I hope this is not what is delaying them. Since I have diabetes taking medication for it is not optional.

      Our money system is not what we have been led to believe. The creation of money has been "privatized," or taken over by private money lenders. Thomas Jefferson called them “bold and bankrupt adventurers just pretending to have money.” webofdebt

      by arealniceguy on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 11:27:20 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site