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  •  Disagree-- Not all conspiracy theorists are stupid (2+ / 0-)
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    Some of us are just severely fed up!

    Conspiracy theorists arise out of an inability to trust in society (or specific segments of it, like government, corporations, etc.) anymore.  Lack of trust arises out of experiences where trust is broken.  I have a Master's in Sociology.  I'm an educated person with critical thinking skills, but I no longer buy ANYTHING on TV anymore.  You know why?  Because I was at Occupy, and I saw virtually EVERYTHING we did get reported incorrectly in the media.  Even stuff about me personally!  So either the media reporters just suck-- they are lazy and incompetent-- or they're doing it on purpose.  I noticed the details they chose to change about our Occupy stories all made us look worse, or fit certain narratives-- one example was, a reporter reported that I was 26.  I was 34.  She didn’t even ask me my age, she just made it up.  But making me 26 was very convenient for her story, because it makes it sound like myself (and by extension, the other Occupiers) were nothing more than disaffected college-aged kids, not fully-grown, educated, working-aged people who got laid off in the middle of our careers when the economy collapsed.  You mean to tell me that’s not deliberate?  Just a convenient mistake?  I don’t buy it.  We were slandered.

    Meanwhile, I notice that the government, who ordinarily I would trust (having been liberal all my life up to this point) bailed out the big banks, but has done all of jack and sh*t to help the little guy on the jobs issue.  After long enough (it's been 4 years since I've worked!) it really doesn't matter to me that I've never owned a gun, I just plain cannot believe the government has my best interests at heart.  Their credibility with me is shot.  The government sat on their hands for YEARS when they could have passed jobs bills to help people like me-- millions and millions, something like 20 million(!) I might add, of people like me.  People losing homes and property and retirement funds every day since the crash.  People thinking of turning their guns on themselves and ending it all.  Suicide rates are way up—the reality is that a lot of people who do own guns are turning them on themselves.   A little hope, not gun control, is all it would’ve taken to save some of them.  But forget about the thousands who go out like that a year-- 20 kids and 6 adults get wiped out in a mass shooting and suddenly it's time to DO SOMETHING?  Give me a FREAKIN' break.  One in every 4 kids now lives in POVERTY in this country!   At risk of hunger!  No access to health care!  At risk of homelessness or freezing to death in the winter!   On food stamps!  Needing school lunches!   At risk of being left unsupervised by parents working minimum-wage jobs (if they can get one!) desperately trying to make ends meet, who cannot afford childcare!  It’s a disgrace!

    We know how many kids the media says died at the hands of a madman at Sandy Hook.  But how many poor kids are going to die this year because the madmen in Congress are wasting time worrying about guns and clip sizes and not fixing the economy?   It’s so stupid, what they’re doing, that even smart, well-educated people HAVE to start wondering, or if you like, “theorizing,” that something else must be going on.  You want to hear my conspiracy theory?  Those in power in government, both  Democrats and Republicans, know all about the poverty that’s ravaging America—but they got theirs and now they just don’t care.  All they're interested in doing are  things (like giving themselves raises!) to keep themselves rich and powerful, and getting involved in big news stories, or other kinds of publicity stunts, to keep themselves getting elected.  They're ambulance-chasers and Sandy Hook was just one more convenient photo-op for them.  They figure the problems of the "formerly middle class and poor" don't matter, so they won't lift a finger  to fix it.  And because of that, whether gun legislation ultimately succeeds or fails, they’re going to end up killing a whole lot of people anyway, innocent children included.

    •  I disagree (1+ / 0-)
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      Conspiracy theorists arise out of an inability to trust in society (or specific segments of it, like government, corporations, etc.) anymore.
      I had no trust in George W. Bush and was highly suspicious of the motives of his V.P. and cabinet members.

      Nevertheless, this did not cause me to entertain weird theories that planes were illusions, or the victims and their families "crisis actors," etc.  

      I think that conspiracy theories and denial movements require more than distrust.  One also has to be the kind of person who places ideology above fact and reason when deciding what to believe and what is true.

      Taking jokes seriously is the exact mirror activity of laughing if someone says they have cancer. --jbou

      by Caj on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 05:13:28 PM PST

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      •  Lack of trust from EXPERIENCES of trust broken. (0+ / 0-)

        That's what I'm trying to tell you... You'd never KNOW if you weren't seeing "facts" or "reason."  That's the problem with propaganda.  How would you ever know I was 34 and not 26?  You just wouldn't, unless you knew me beforehand, or you were actually there where news was happening, like I was, noticing how much stuff got made up.  

        I'm not saying every conspiracy theory has merit, and some of the Sandy Hook ones certainly do seem extra-disturbing as far as CTs go.  I'm just saying, people who don't believe what they see on TV aren't all unhinged lunatics or stupid or people with "ideology prone" personalities, or whatever you want to blame it on.  Some are normal, intelligent  people who are not mentally ill, but who have had specific experiences that make them inclined not to believe everything they see on TV.

        •  But so what? (1+ / 0-)
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          So what if I distrust someone because of direct, personal experience?  That still doesn't cause me to entertain loopy theories about them.

          That's what I'm trying to tell you... You'd never KNOW if you weren't seeing "facts" or "reason."
          That is not true.  Even if everyone on TV is lying to me, there's a lot that I know that rules out conspiracy theories.

          I may not know if you're 26 or 34, but I certainly do know
           that the world's scientists aren't teaching fake laws of physics to cover up the way the WTC towers fell---that would be logistically absurd.  I know that newspapers did not conspire in 1961 to put fake Obama birth announcements in newspapers in Honolulu, because that would also be logistically absurd.  I know that Sandy Hook really happened and was not a pageant played out by "crisis actors"---just as I know that Connecticut is a real state and not something invented last month.

          There's a huge difference between not believing everything on TV, and buying into a denial movement or a conspiracy theory that blurs the line between belief and paranoia.  To believe in something like that, you need to be more than distrustful:  you need to be a believer, the type of person who is willing to believe impossible things about Obama's birth certificate because it reinforces your ideology.

          Taking jokes seriously is the exact mirror activity of laughing if someone says they have cancer. --jbou

          by Caj on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 08:31:46 PM PST

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          •  Hate to break it to you... (0+ / 0-)

            ...But your own ideology is showing.

            •  It is not an "ideology" (0+ / 0-)

              ...to rely on reason and evidence, just as it is not a "religion" to accept biological evolution.

              People need a certain degree of ideological paranoia to believe that Sandy Hook was staged with actors---enough paranoia to overcome the obvious logical and logistical problems with the theory.

              Contrariwise, you don't need any ideological paranoia to accept that a mass shooting actually happened.

              Taking jokes seriously is the exact mirror activity of laughing if someone says they have cancer. --jbou

              by Caj on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:13:15 AM PST

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