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    Conspiracy theorists arise out of an inability to trust in society (or specific segments of it, like government, corporations, etc.) anymore.
    I had no trust in George W. Bush and was highly suspicious of the motives of his V.P. and cabinet members.

    Nevertheless, this did not cause me to entertain weird theories that planes were illusions, or the victims and their families "crisis actors," etc.  

    I think that conspiracy theories and denial movements require more than distrust.  One also has to be the kind of person who places ideology above fact and reason when deciding what to believe and what is true.

    Taking jokes seriously is the exact mirror activity of laughing if someone says they have cancer. --jbou

    by Caj on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 05:13:28 PM PST

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    •  Lack of trust from EXPERIENCES of trust broken. (0+ / 0-)

      That's what I'm trying to tell you... You'd never KNOW if you weren't seeing "facts" or "reason."  That's the problem with propaganda.  How would you ever know I was 34 and not 26?  You just wouldn't, unless you knew me beforehand, or you were actually there where news was happening, like I was, noticing how much stuff got made up.  

      I'm not saying every conspiracy theory has merit, and some of the Sandy Hook ones certainly do seem extra-disturbing as far as CTs go.  I'm just saying, people who don't believe what they see on TV aren't all unhinged lunatics or stupid or people with "ideology prone" personalities, or whatever you want to blame it on.  Some are normal, intelligent  people who are not mentally ill, but who have had specific experiences that make them inclined not to believe everything they see on TV.

      •  But so what? (1+ / 0-)
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        So what if I distrust someone because of direct, personal experience?  That still doesn't cause me to entertain loopy theories about them.

        That's what I'm trying to tell you... You'd never KNOW if you weren't seeing "facts" or "reason."
        That is not true.  Even if everyone on TV is lying to me, there's a lot that I know that rules out conspiracy theories.

        I may not know if you're 26 or 34, but I certainly do know
         that the world's scientists aren't teaching fake laws of physics to cover up the way the WTC towers fell---that would be logistically absurd.  I know that newspapers did not conspire in 1961 to put fake Obama birth announcements in newspapers in Honolulu, because that would also be logistically absurd.  I know that Sandy Hook really happened and was not a pageant played out by "crisis actors"---just as I know that Connecticut is a real state and not something invented last month.

        There's a huge difference between not believing everything on TV, and buying into a denial movement or a conspiracy theory that blurs the line between belief and paranoia.  To believe in something like that, you need to be more than distrustful:  you need to be a believer, the type of person who is willing to believe impossible things about Obama's birth certificate because it reinforces your ideology.

        Taking jokes seriously is the exact mirror activity of laughing if someone says they have cancer. --jbou

        by Caj on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 08:31:46 PM PST

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        •  Hate to break it to you... (0+ / 0-)

          ...But your own ideology is showing.

          •  It is not an "ideology" (0+ / 0-)

            ...to rely on reason and evidence, just as it is not a "religion" to accept biological evolution.

            People need a certain degree of ideological paranoia to believe that Sandy Hook was staged with actors---enough paranoia to overcome the obvious logical and logistical problems with the theory.

            Contrariwise, you don't need any ideological paranoia to accept that a mass shooting actually happened.

            Taking jokes seriously is the exact mirror activity of laughing if someone says they have cancer. --jbou

            by Caj on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:13:15 AM PST

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