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  •  I think this is a unique case (1+ / 0-)
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    Those drugs were initially used to save his life and get his body back to what it was before the cancer.

    No other elite athlete can make that claim.

    What is really hard to untangle is just how far he was able to exceed what his "actual restored baseline" was in fact.

    If indeed he did not gain a true advantage, this story becomes even more tragic because it could have been totally avoided had he just sought to gain permission to use the drugs legally before seeking to compete again.

    "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

    by jkay on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 01:47:21 PM PST

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    •  I appreciate your diary. (4+ / 0-)

      But for me, Armstrong behaved unforgivably toward those who were his friends and teammates. Granted his extraordinary personal health story, that didn't give him the right to abuse those around him when they told the truth about his doping.

      Being the single intellectual in a village of 1,100 souls ain't much fun, especially when 1,099 of those don't think you're all that smart.--Lucy Marsden

      by Miniaussiefan on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:31:21 PM PST

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      •  Thats what I think too (0+ / 0-)

        The doping mught have been forgivable.
        the threats and intimidation of his friends and teammates was not

        Happy just to be alive

        by exlrrp on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:49:11 PM PST

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        •  It wasn't... (0+ / 0-)

          The doping itself wasn't forgivable.  This wasn't a severely disabled man who was "leveling the playing field".  He had recovered from cancer already by the time he was cheating on the TDF.  

          But, yes, I agree his sanctimonious attitude and how he tried to absolutely destroy people who told the truth is even worse than the lying.  

      •  I agree with you (0+ / 0-)

        I make no apologies for his "off the field" behavior towards others, which was clearly reprehensible on many levels.

        "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

        by jkay on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:07:05 PM PST

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    •  He had already recovered from cancer though... (0+ / 0-)

      If his testosterone was low, then maybe TRT could be justified, but if it was justified he wouldn't have had to worry about getting caught.  

      Using EPO when you're being given chemotherapy is not the same as using it after you're cancer free.  There is no reason to believe that one or two years later he had anything deficient about his blood.  

      And what about the transfusions of his own blood?  There's no explanation for that at all.  

      You're bending over backwards for him, when the reality is he was cheating, and doing so better than anyone else.  Might he have won clean?  No, he wouldn't, because the other riders were also cheating.  

      In a level playing field he might have one several TDFs but he probably wouldn't have won 7 in a row.  What's more we have no idea how the line-up of top riders would have been different if some of them had not been cheating.  

      For all we know the best rider never won, because he wasn't willing to cheat.  That's the real travesty of the whole thing.  

      Lance Armstrong benefited greatly from cheating, he made a hundred million dollars and had his time in the spotlight.  Even with his current disgrace, he still has the money.  How much of that money should have gone to someone else who didn't cheat?  We'll never know.  

    •  No-- (0+ / 0-)

      he was taking PEDs long before the cancer diagnosis. They were not initially used to "save his life and get his body back to what it was before the cancer."

      •  I am not a doctor (0+ / 0-)

        But if you are going through Chemo and lose a testicle,
        wouldn't EPO and testosterone be part of the treatment?

        I would think testosterone would be something you would likely have prescribed to you for the rest of your life.

        "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

        by jkay on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 07:13:49 AM PST

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