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  •  And who do we thank for flying cattle cars? (2+ / 0-)
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    Troubadour, greengemini

    Ronald Reagan.

    Troubadour, your rant was off target. Sardine cans aren't Boeing's fault, thank the airlines for that, and thank Reagan for the state of our airlines. Airlines can order the same plane in many different configurations, THEY are choosing to pack us in. Of course, we could always choose to forgo the cheap option, spend a little more, and get more room.

    And I just have to say, Musk isn't all that. Not that he's a bad guy or anything, but if you can afford anything Musk is producing, you can pay for first class airfare. And, you know he made all his money off of PayPal's usurious rates, right? Anyway, he has a lot of good ideas, but I'm withholding judgement until I see some actual affordable products.

    •  Boeing could push the technology if they cared. (3+ / 0-)
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      Elon Musk is pushing rocket technology without the prior approval of customers, for fuck's sake.  SpaceX is creating demand instead of just reacting to it.  Boeing could do that if its executives weren't a bunch of stock-market-driven degenerates, but they are.

      Pour yourself into the future.

      by Troubadour on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:58:01 PM PST

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      •  Musk is blowing his own money. (0+ / 0-)

        He's a rich guy having fun with his billions, not a company trying to make money for investors. He has no competition ready to eat his lunch, like Boeing has. Look, rockets are fun and all, but Musk has done nothing all that interesting or innovative for the common man. So what if movie stars and oil barons may someday go into space on Musk's rocket? Who cares if that small-dick-compensator-mobile runs on electricity or gas?

        Any con artist can "create demand" but that is meaningless. Satisfying demand is where it is at. Sorry that Boeing isn't catering to your tech dreams, but I think you may be complaining about the wrong folks, for the wrong reasons.

        Look, Boeing aren't saints. There are serious issues with how they built the Dreamliner. They outsourced far too much. They are also a huge military contractor, making all sorts of nasty weapons.You could have criticized them for any of that.

        This article is just silly. For fuck's sake.

        •  Are you thinking of Rutan & Branson's (1+ / 0-)
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          Virgin Galactic?

          Musk's competition is Boeing and the like, and his SpaceX outfit has plenty of Falcon orders.

          And yes, the article is silly.

          Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

          by Simplify on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:15:04 PM PST

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        •  ZOMG. I literally said "ZOMG" out loud. (1+ / 0-)
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          He's a rich guy having fun with his billions
          Look, rockets are fun and all, but Musk has done nothing all that interesting or innovative for the common man.
          So what if movie stars and oil barons may someday go into space on Musk's rocket? Who cares if that small-dick-compensator-mobile runs on electricity or gas?

          Any con artist can "create demand" but that is meaningless. Satisfying demand is where it is at. Sorry that Boeing isn't catering to your tech dreams, but I think you may be complaining about the wrong folks, for the wrong reasons.

          I don't know where to begin with what's wrong with your comments, but I'll do my best.  "Having fun with your billions" does not involve working 20 hours a day and flying between LA and Fremont on a constant basis to manage TWO massively innovative companies.  Elon Musk is the closest thing to the savior of humankind alive today.  

          Secondly, the "interests of the common man" have never begun with the common man.  Trains did not begin with the common man - they were an aristocrat's pastime.  Ditto airplanes.  Horses were once the province of lords.  Seriously, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

          "Satisfying demand is where it's at."  Yeah, so your version of humanity is just a bunch of holes to fill until we're nothing at all?  Ugh, you don't get it at all.  You get nothing.  We are more than a bunch of needs to fill!  Dammit, man.

          Pour yourself into the future.

          by Troubadour on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:17:22 PM PST

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      •  Boeing is pushing the commerical (1+ / 0-)
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        technology for aircraft as fast as their conservative hearts can go.

        Yes both Hairbus and Boeing can only develop so fast.  It has taken a couple of years to get the newer technology into the 737 to be the 737 Max.  

        The Dreamliner is so far the best of the new technology for commercial aircraft can be.  Yes the batteries to start the APU are a bad design.  It has taken how long to find out about that?  Some of those aircraft have been sitting around for several years getting the engineering updates applied to them BEFORE they can be sent to the customer.  The deliveries that are happening how are a mix of just off the line with the engineering updated.  It will take a couple more years to work off the engineering backlog done.

        Yes, they have to answer to the investors/stockholders/etc.  Most are very conservative on decisions and apply that to all parts of the company.

        "Death is the winner in any war." - Nightwish/Imaginareum/Song of myself.

        by doingbusinessas on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 08:21:17 PM PST

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    •  Follow the money (1+ / 0-)
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      If airlines could make more money selling fewer seats for higher fares then they would.

      They're supplying what their customers demand: minimum fares at the cost of comfort.

      •  But that's not the case. (0+ / 0-)

        The option to go faster doesn't even exist, so how the hell would they know?  The last time such an option existed was the Concorde - technology from 40 years ago that could only fly over oceans!  They haven't bothered to develop any fast options since then.  Zilch.

        Pour yourself into the future.

        by Troubadour on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 05:09:03 AM PST

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