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  •  Good article and one correction... (8+ / 0-)

    There isn't, and never was, a company named McDonald Douglass. There was a company named McDonnell Aircraft and another company named Douglas aircraft which merged to become McDonnell Douglas, but they were sold to Boeing in the 90's. So, it's just Boeing now, and the only "Douglas" aircraft still in production is the C-17, but that will be ending soon. The only McDonnell (Macair) aircraft still in production are the F-15 and F/A-18E/F/G.

    With regard to the problem to which you refer, you kind of have to understand that the 787 was one of the first aircraft developed based on major outsourcing of it's design. As a result, there have been many critical errors that probably could have been avoided if more of it had been done in house. Anything to save a buck.

    Regulated capital serves the people, unregulated capital serves itself.

    by Alumbrados on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 10:04:26 PM PST

    •  They didn't "save a buck." (0+ / 0-)

      Really.

      It cost more to do it decentralized.

      The added costs for system integration overwhelmed the paltry item-level savings, plus that they came in more than a year late and had to run redesign projects that got them way over budget.

      It was marketing. A political grab to side-step Airbus and Brazilian competition.

      "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012 "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army/McCarthy 1954

      by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 06:11:57 AM PST

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      •  Compare/contrast with SpaceX. (0+ / 0-)

        "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012 "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army/McCarthy 1954

        by bontemps2012 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 06:13:09 AM PST

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        •  Comparing SpaceX to Boeing is Apples and (1+ / 0-)
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          Oranges. SpaceX isn't creating a completely new way of manufacturing a commercial aircraft and what SpaceX is doing, from an engineering standpoint, isn't really new.

          Where I do give SpaceX credit is in how they do things and I would argue it is the result of being the vision of one man running the operation as opposed to a huge conglomerate run by boardroom bean counters.

          Regulated capital serves the people, unregulated capital serves itself.

          by Alumbrados on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 09:58:46 PM PST

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          •  SpaceX beats time and budget with (0+ / 0-)

            first-rate quality.

            Boeing blew away on time, overran budget, and we don't know yet about quality -- one bad part in early months isn't enough to know much.

            Otherwise, O.K.

            "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

            by bontemps2012 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 04:46:38 PM PST

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      •  I realize that... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...but that was "the reasoning" given for going about it. But what you missed is that as they outsourced the work, they also made those other firms pay for the R & D of their respective work.

        The over budget wasn't a shock, to me anyway. Being the first large scale commercial aircraft made out out of composites, I wasn't as optimistic as they were.

        Regulated capital serves the people, unregulated capital serves itself.

        by Alumbrados on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 09:54:05 PM PST

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    •  Just Boeing now? In name only! (0+ / 0-)

      The merged corporate headquarters is now located in Chicago, not Seattle, The Real Boeing's old headquarters.  IIRC, the top managment that survived the merger were mostly MD execs, not Boeing.  

      I've been in the front-row trenches through a big corporate merger like that (NationsBank/BofA) and closely followed another one going on down the street from us (First Union/Wachovia).  The real behind-the-scenes winner in the post-merger managment and culture wars is the company whose name disappears.  Why?  The company with more conservative, responsible management has a better and well-deserved reputation in the marketplace, but their merger partner's management are better back alley corporate infighters and more ruthless cost-cutters (e.g., the new Boeing 787 plant sited in Charleston SC expressly to break the old Boeing's engineers' union).

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