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  •  Well, you can complain, of course, but OFA has (3+ / 0-)
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    proven its usefulness. So whatever strategy (and tactics) they had, it seems to have worked.

    And I, for one, am rather happy that OFA will not be misused as tool of a most likely inferior (:=not as good as Obama) candidate in the next presidential election.

    You seem rather short-sighted to me. Obama is after much larger fish here than Democratic party efficiency. He wants to change the nation (not the public discourse, not the blogs, not the official statements - the nation).

    This is much deeper and much more important than giving some candidates an efficient tool. If OFA has any success in that at the local level, it will, of course, in the medium and long term translate into Democratic party advantage.

    He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.

    by Sophie Amrain on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 08:19:42 AM PST

    •  He wants to change the nation like how? (0+ / 0-)

      I've seen nothing in Obama's actions that leads me to believe he is anything other than a typical politician who is every bit as concerned with feathering his own nest as helping me feather mine.

      I don't think he's any worse than the party but even his recent support of the gun issue seems to have come entirely as a reaction to events.

      •  Nest-feathering sounds sorta Romney-ish. Like (0+ / 0-)

        "that's all they want." Feathers for the 47%.

        And Obama's not rich.  He wrote a couple of books that sold well. So what?

        Way too cynical for me.

      •  I know that you do not see that. Large portions (2+ / 0-)
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        of the left are unfortunately rather bad in political analysis, preferring outrage to it.

        Of course his recent support of gun control has come as a reaction to events. As a consequence of the events Obama has a chance to get new gun control measures. Without the massacre at Newton he would not have had the momentum needed to achieve that.

        The able politician uses events to further his goals. The purist runs around complaining.

        Obama has already changed the nation. He has steered health care reform towards becoming reality (you do remember, how Clinton failed with the same task, do you? I believe that attempt never came out of committee). Obama has gotten the military to repeal DADT - this is a serious recalibration going on there.

        Now, with OFA, the attempt is to make the changes deeper, and longer lasting. If they can manage to form/educate/train a whole generation of organizers, that will be a rosy future for our political system. It will help immunizing against the usual garbage thrown out by the right, many religious, and the pundit class.

        He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.

        by Sophie Amrain on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 05:37:16 PM PST

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        •  Without the Depression (0+ / 0-)

          there would have been no Roosevelt, no Social Security, weaker unions, no strong middle class of the 50's, 60's and 70's.  

          Roosevelt "reacted" to the Depression.

          Obama reacted to the changing public view of gay rights to get Congress to repeal DADT.  Using Congress rather than an executive order left the bigots totally defeated.

          Obama is reacting to the public outrage over 20 dead little children to try to make some important changes in gun safety.  

          I think this will lead to more and better Democrats all across the country.

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