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  •  The usual vulgarity of strawmen and insults... (3+ / 0-)

    ... like "gun nuts" "cults" and a thousand other pejoratives as people descend into unproductive knee jerk we-they, good-bad divisiveness masks what's important - the harsh, brutal, crisply clear realities of the data you're presenting here. This is stunning. Thanks. I hope it gets widely viewed.

    Last night, Martin Short commented on Bill Maher's show, that Canada has a similar number of guns as the US but a fraction of the murders. Canada has registration laws, prohibited kinds of firearms & munitions, and storage and lock requirements.  

    •  A Canadian "Well Regulated Malitia". n/t (5+ / 0-)

      ego sum ergo ego eram

      by glb3 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:28:34 AM PST

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    •  I could argue that I meant "nut" as (5+ / 0-)

      "enthusiast" but I won't. The truth is, I'm frustrated and sick of being told I need to understand and tolerate gun culture. It's all around me, it threatens my safety and my family's safety, and I find it revolting. I don't need to know the difference between clips and magazines to have a voice in the gun control debate.

      "We probably could have saved ourselves, but we were too damned lazy to try very hard, and too damned cheap." Kurt Vonnegut

      by tomasyn on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:36:57 AM PST

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      •  Nothing personal really. (0+ / 0-)

        Guns are just one cultural divide in the US associated with public harm that we need to bridge and to be revolted by a problem is one thing, albeit an important step in the change process. But when people are targeted we have another, sometimes bigger problem (e.g., abortion, teen pregnancy, pornography, consumerism, capitalism). We're all responsible but we're also all imperfect. It's always faster and more efficient to focus on specific goals than culture change anyway.

    •  Surprised (3+ / 0-)

      Reading your statement as written "Canada has a similar number of guns as the US". This would mean that Canada has about 300 million guns for a population of 35 million (less than a ninth of the US population). That would mean that the average Canadian has nine guns.

      Either Martin Short is wrong, you misquoted him or I'm going to be really surprised.

      •  Moreover, on a per capita basis (0+ / 0-)

        the USA has way more (something like 88 per 100 people compared to about 30).

        And I think that particular statistic if before the massive gun buying spree that has occurred since Obama took office (67 million new guns sold, w/o that economic activity however, the Great Recession may have been considerably worse!)

        •  Maybe the people would have spent the money on (1+ / 0-)
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          something else. Conceivably even something more life-enhancing...

          Babylon system is the vampire... ~Bob Marley

          by sfinx on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:57:44 AM PST

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          •  Nah, not that crowd . .. (1+ / 0-)
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            The point being, the number of people actually owning guns in the US has been drifting downwards, meaning that this massive increase has been limited to a relative small number of the so-called gun nuts.  I doubt these folk would have spent their money on something embiggening.

            In any event, sure if this trend is scary or not.

    •  Actually Canada has less guns per capita (2+ / 0-)
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      I think that "more guns than the USA" came from Michael Moore. Possibly more long guns but not restricted hand guns.

      88 guns per 100 people in the USA
      30 guns per person in Canada

      ❧To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 12:30:45 PM PST

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      •  30 guns per 100 persons in Canada (2+ / 0-)
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        Opinion: A lesson from Canada on gun control in the U.S.

        Too many guns equal too many funerals. Fewer guns, fewer funerals. In Toronto, there have been about 50 homicides this year. It’s likely Chicago will exceed 500 homicides this year. When asked how that could be, Chicago police Superintendent Garry McCarthy stated the obvious: gun control.

        Put aside for the moment that the Conservative government of Canada recently did away with the registry for “long guns.” The bottom line is that thanks to limitations on who can own a gun, what guns citizens can own and where the guns are kept, there are a lot fewer guns in Canada. There are about 30 guns per 100 people in Canada. In the U.S., there are almost as many guns as people: 88 guns per 100 people.

        Harvard trained lawyer former Atty General of Ontario Canada

        ❧To thine ownself be true

        by Agathena on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 12:42:14 PM PST

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