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  •  You are speaking now (1+ / 0-)
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    themis

    I don't get it.  What's the problem? You are writing a diary.  You are speaking.  You are making your ideas heard.

    It seems more that you are complaining about how your ideas are received, because clearly you have every chance to say your piece.

    •  Look at the news... (1+ / 0-)
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      shaharazade

      whenever this issue comes up, the speaker almost always starts with 'I've owned guns since I was a child...' That's my problem. Even Democrats are doing this. It looks as though someone without this personal experience doesn't have credibility, even if their point is perfectly fine on its own.

      I guess I'm just frustrated with our inability to make a good argument on it's merits.

      (and thank you for posting in my diary - I enjoy vigorous debate)

      The only thing harder than speaking truth to power is speaking truth to stupid.

      by themis on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:32:34 AM PST

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      •  I enjoy a vigorous debate, too (1+ / 0-)
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        Neuroptimalian

        Thanks for posting the diary.

        When a person who doesn't own a gun and doesn't want to, argues for greater gun control, they aren't offering to give up anything they personally value.   I pay them as much heed as I pay anyone who is more than eager to give away something that is treasured by someone else.

        When a gun owner argues for greater gun control, they are offering to give up something they value and might use.  They are making a true sacrifice, and they do earn greater respect for it.

        And, when a gun owner argues against gun control, and is fighting for a right they value and that they use, they are also going to be making a greater sacrifice, albeit, unwilling, to the cause, and that does lend to their credibility, too.

        When men argue against abortion rights, it does offend me, because they are more than willing to give up a right that they will never personally exercise, and while women might literally DIE because the right to abortion does not exist.   Women have a lot of skin in that game, it may be our life on the line, so it does affect whose opinion I pay more attention to.

         

        •  What's To Give Up? (0+ / 0-)
          When a person who doesn't own a gun and doesn't want to, argues for greater gun control, they aren't offering to give up anything they personally value.

          Not sure that there is a valid argument here; why can't a non-gun owner argue for greater public safety and protection from gun violence? Is their choice, by your logic, to avoid public places?

          What the heck would a gun owner have to give up in order to promote better public safety, better prevention of gun violence?

          Are you saying that if I don't have a child or another family member who was gunned down on the street, or in some public place like a school or a movie theater, I can't demand better protection from gun violence?

          "We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other." ~ RFK

          by paz3 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 01:34:32 PM PST

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          •  An experiment (1+ / 0-)
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            Neuroptimalian

            Try this experiment.

            Stand on a street corner, and ask people for twenty dollars.  Explain that you are hungry and need that money.

            How many people stop, and listen to what you are saying, and choose to do what you suggest?

            Now, stand on the same street corner, and offer to give people twenty dollars because you are worried that they are hungry and want to help them.

            How many people stop, and listen to what you are saying, and choose to do what you suggest?  

            Politicallly, if you want an audience, you have to draw them in by offering them something they want.  If your angle is to argue that they should give up something that they want, your audience is going to naturally drift off in search of something they'd rather hear.   It's sort of like saying, "Hey!   Let's raise taxes.  That would really be for the best for everyone."    And, your audience wanders off, and says, "I think there's a ballgame on that I'd like to watch."

            So, you want people who value their right to own guns to stand there and listen, while you say, "I don't have a gun.  I don't want a gun.  I think that all people who do have guns should get rid of their guns because I don't like guns and I think they are not safe."   Why should they?   They have nothing in common with you.   They have no interest in doing what you are asking them to do.   They are happy just the way they are, and you are asking them to rearrange themselves to suit your view of how things should be.   Why should they listen to you?

            You asked why no one seems to be paying attention.     That's my answer.   You are not drawing your audience in with something that attracts them to our argument.

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