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  •  Nice post (1+ / 0-)
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    commonmass

    however, I am not pro-flu vaccine. except for the very young and elderly.

    "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley

    by Farkletoo on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 03:49:35 PM PST

    •  Would you care to share why? n/t (4+ / 0-)

      What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

      by commonmass on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 03:50:44 PM PST

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    •  that's cool (3+ / 0-)

      would you write a post advising others not to?

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 04:02:31 PM PST

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      •  and would you suggest that the American (5+ / 0-)

        Academy of pediatrics, which advises all children to get the shot (fact), is wrong? Why or why not?

        Just askin'. Those are different positions than not getting one yourself.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 04:04:03 PM PST

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        •  I am for vaccinating the young and elderly (2+ / 0-)
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          "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley

          by Farkletoo on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 04:07:04 PM PST

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          •  I appreciate it and thanks! (6+ / 0-)

            I ask because you mentioned "they very young" whereas the AAP recommends 6 months to 18 years, partly because kids shed flu virus longer and are a vector for spread of disease.

            Although it's hard to demonstrate a conclusion, here's the rationale for thinking about how disease is spread:

            Why Was This Study Done?

            Although infants and the elderly are particularly vulnerable to influenza, schoolchildren are more likely to spread the flu virus. Also, vaccination is more effective in schoolchildren than in elderly people. So could vaccination of schoolchildren be the best way to reduce influenza morbidity and mortality? Some Japanese and US data suggest that it might be, but policymakers need to know more about the likely effects of changing the current influenza vaccination strategy. They need to know in what circumstances the direct effects of vaccination (protection of vaccinated individuals from disease) outweigh its indirect effects (reduced infection in vulnerable individuals caused by the reduced spread of disease in the whole population) and when the opposite is true. In this study, the researchers have used mathematical modeling to investigate how vaccination affects the spread of diseases such as influenza for which a “core” group in the population spreads the disease and a distinct “vulnerable” group is sensitive to its effects.

            http://www.plosmedicine.org/...

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 04:18:01 PM PST

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    •  Do you live in an area with no kids or elderly? (2+ / 0-)
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      badscience, ebohlman

      Even if you are young and have an excellent immune system, you still have a chance of passing on the flu virus to those who are less resistent.

      The more people that get vaccinated against flu in a community, the fewer cases of flu there will be in that community.

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