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  •  victims and perpetrators are the same demographic (3+ / 0-)
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    erratic, PavePusher, dewley notid

    in case you've lived in an alternate reality for the past half century. Hard to tell if you are seriously clueless or pretending.

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:18:43 AM PST

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    •  Re-read your response (0+ / 0-)

      "I'd rather go for young homicide victims which are mostly minority, male, young, poor.

      Give them other options."

      And then call me clueless again.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and tried to figure out what you really meant, and this is the response you have.  Typical.

      Anyway, back to your solutions; I guess you are saying that we need to give every young minority male a job at $15 an hour, and that would help.  It just might.  But, speaking of alternate realities, those have been a bit hard to find, lately.  If you have a way to create that many jobs, at roughly double the minimum wage, we'd all like to hear about it.

      And then, of course, we have to figure out how to pay for that kind of thing, and who pays.  Sounds like I'm going to be paying quite a lot so you can keep your guns.

      When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

      by Bisbonian on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:02:31 AM PST

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      •  no one has talked of taking my guns away (2+ / 0-)
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        erratic, mahakali overdrive

        I have bolt action hunting rifles, always empty.

        We have tons of money for $15 an hour jobs. Richest country in the world.

        There are these things called taxes.

        How big is your personal carbon footprint?

        by ban nock on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:21:58 AM PST

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        •  Yes, there are taxes. (0+ / 0-)

          Do the taxes taken in currently meet all the spending requirements? (Think "deficit"). No.  Therefore, more taxes would be needed for such a jobs program.  Not a bad idea, overall, but one that will be mighty difficult to sell to the general public...especially when you factor in that all of us would have to pay it so that some of us could keep their guns.  Might be problematic.

          And I don't think a job would have helped in the Sandy Hook situation, which is what many of us are concerned with precenting, right now.

          When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

          by Bisbonian on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:42:30 AM PST

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          •  We don't mind taxes, we are too poor to pay them (2+ / 0-)
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            erratic, dewley notid

            it's all you folks in gated communities I want to tax.

            I get it that Sandy Hook is what people care about, me, I care more about the other 99.99% of gun homicide more, but that's just me, not because I am a minority and poor and young and male, but because I could imagine being so.

            Another country with our gun murder rate is Thailand, largest wealth disparity in E Asia.

            How big is your personal carbon footprint?

            by ban nock on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:43:32 AM PST

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            •  Well, I live in a mostly abandoned mining town (4+ / 0-)
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              erratic, ban nock, a2nite, Tommye

              Though I do have a gate in the front yard....

              Yeah, this one event got all the people's attention (finally!). The good news is that it's a breakthrough, and people seem to be more willing to look for effective solutions...which means we may see action on that other 99% as well.  I hope so, too.

              When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

              by Bisbonian on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 09:27:53 AM PST

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          •  No, all of us wouldn't have to pay it. (3+ / 0-)
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            erratic, janetsal, blue in NC

            Greed, avarice are what we're paying for now.

            If the Koch's, de Vos', Peterson's, Walton's paid ninety percent of their income in taxes they would still be left w/over hundreds of millions of dollars each year.  

            They're stealing our labor and convincing workers we don't deserve the benefits of the labor we put in to make them billions each and every year.

            When each of these billionaires take more in one day than you or I will earn in a lifetime, there is something wrong and it's not our lack of effort!!!

            The two Koch bros took six point seven billion dollars between 2009 and 2011.  The Walton's even more.
            In one day they took more than ninety-nine percent will earn in a lifetime.  That's how we could pay a measly fifteen dollars an hour and not raise our taxes.

            We've been deluded into thinking it's our fault.
            Pete Peterson spent four hundred eighty million dollars in four years to convince us it's our fault.  And the Koch's spent even more.

      •  Funny... (3+ / 0-)
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        erratic, janetsal, blue in NC

        "And then, of course, we have to figure out how to pay for that kind of thing, and who pays."

        Ninety-three percent of all wage/productivity has gone to less than one percent of the population.

        How's that for a source of money.  All it would take is to identify the sociopaths who are stealing our efforts and steal it back.

        Fifteen dollars an hour would be a start and give an awful lot of people hope.  But then again, who would want to see the Koch's, de Vos', Simmons, Petersons', Walton's have to relinquish some of their ill gotten gains.

        The thought that it's only minorities is a sincere misunderstandiing and plays right into the sociopaths efforts to divide us by race, age, sex, geography etc. If we were ever to understand the billions they've spent to keep us from seeing their objective they would have to hire armies to keep us from them.

        Convince the bigots who vote against their own interests and the billionaires  (maybe four hundred families) would have to take up arms against the sane of America.  Or, we could continue to protect the billionaires so the bigots feel satisfied they are hating those who they, as somewhat deranged themselves, feel are beneath even them.

        When the Koch's and Waltons and Peterson's and de Vos' and Simmons and Scaife' etc make billions paying less than living wages and spend billions to convince bigots it's only the way things are... that proves their money is well spent.

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