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  •  I'm hearing backlash from California (9+ / 0-)

    A fair amount of it from absolutely rock-solid liberals, as well as a LOT of radicals too.

    They're not going off and joining the GOP (I don't know many people like that), but they are not planning to vote in 2014 and are actively stating this.

    Does this give me pause? 150%. It's the major source of my pause.

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    by mahakali overdrive on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 06:04:29 PM PST

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    •  What I see happening here... (7+ / 0-)

      ...is that the once very realistic hopes of turning Texas blue in the near future won't be happening.

      A lot of people who might have turned out to support Democratic candidates just won't do so if Democrats appear to be living up to the accusations of "gun grabbers."

      Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

      by theatre goon on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 06:29:21 PM PST

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    •  i commented on this very subject (8+ / 0-)

      a few days ago and was largely ignored.  Tried to point out the fallacies in nationwide polls versus local congressional districts.  Exactly why Obama won by more than 4% but still has a Republican congress set on obstructionism.  I am afraid this one issue is going to make 1996 look like a Sunday school picnic.  Harry Reid knows this.  The liberals who live in deep blue enclaves do not.

      The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

      by Otteray Scribe on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 06:30:28 PM PST

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      •  Oh no, some of us do (7+ / 0-)

        I'm in a deep blue district. Granted, we're a weird deep blue district on the fringes of Hell, but all the same, blue as the bluest sea. I thought your comment, which I recall, would have made for a perfect diary.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 06:46:36 PM PST

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      •  Otteray Scribe: they know. They don't care. (5+ / 0-)

        What drives them is truly, really, beyond me, but right now the emotional tide behind the whole "guns = evil" mindset is so strong that even attempting to reason with people coming from "let's get rid of all the guns and it will solve all the problems" mindset -- which is unreasoning as well as unreasonable -- is a great way to get everything from called a fool to accused of being a murderer.

        The language right here on DKos about gun owners and the 2nd Amendment, including the to my way of thinking completely irrational trumpeting about the 2nd Amendment passing originally as a way of supporting and ensuring the continuation of slavery -- as if the writers of the Constitution hadn't themselves just been engaged in a long, bloody, and in-their-hood war to create a nation not part of the British Empire -- is insulting, to put it mildly.

        I can't count the number of comments in which Nancy Lanza was vilified, if not outright libeled, and her death called her just comeuppance for the crime of owning firearms she kept in her home.

        Sometimes, I think I'm a fool to keep caring about the impact these proud ignoramuses are having on the Democrats' future.

        LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

        by BlackSheep1 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 07:40:45 PM PST

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        •  Some of it is fear... (4+ / 0-)

          ...some of it is ignorance, some of it is something more nefarious (I just love that word).

          There are those who truly believe that if they could only get rid of guns, then violence would vanish (in spite of reality), or are truly so afraid of guns that they believe that the inherent evil of inanimate objects will cause people who would not otherwise engage in violence.

          There are also those on our side of the aisle who will take any and every opportunity and tragedy to impose their beliefs onto others.  If it wasn't guns, it would be something else -- but, at this moment, they feel that they have the momentum on their side (in the form of a tragedy that they exploit) to restrict, if not remove, a Civil Right that they, personally, do not approve of.

          Sadly, right here, we've seen support of wireless wiretaps, the freakin' Patriot Act of all things, all supported by the "if you're not doing anything wrong, then what do you have to worry about?" argument that used to be called out when Republicans used it.

          There are authoritarians on the Left as well as on the Right.  Currently, some of those are pushing the debate here at DKos, but it already seems to be fading in the party leadership (see Harry Reid, for instance).

          Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

          by theatre goon on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 04:21:24 AM PST

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