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  •  Wrong document (3+ / 0-)
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    That quote is from The Declaration of Independence (as I'm sure you know), which was a declaration of war against England.  Clearly, when setting up your own nation, and given the form of government they chose, it was the intent of the Constitution that grievences against the government would be adjudicated at the ballot box or through the courts; not through armed insurrection.

    As there, indeed, seemed to be some confusion on the point--at a rather specific time in our history--our elected representatives put it down is clear language via the 14th Amendment.  To summerize, neither citizens nor states have ANY right to take up arms against the government and any person or state doing so will be swatted out of existence by the federal government by any means necessary.  

    So, as President Obama would say, please proceed, red states;  take up your puny little assault rifles to fight against the "tyranny" of Obamacare and mandatory background checks.  Just remember the federal government has drones and bombs to take you out.  And that Constition you claim to know and love so much?  That Constitution says they'd be in the right to use them, if it came to that.

    Oh, and Obama has you're Social Security check, too, you socialist bastards.  Take up your arms against the federal government and you won't be seeing yours any more.  I understand Gitmo is loovely this time of year.

    So, no, the Constitution does NOT guarantee anyone the right to commit treason.  Indeed, it quite explicitly says you can't.

    "Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will."—Frederick Douglass

    by costello7 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:04:55 PM PST

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    •  Yep. Bingo. (2+ / 0-)
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      So, no, the Constitution does NOT guarantee anyone the right to commit treason.  Indeed, it quite explicitly says you can't.
      This was the point of my diary - it's really pretty simple when you actually think about it.

      "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

      by La Gitane on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:30:43 PM PST

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    •  No. (0+ / 0-)

      The Founders recognized that any well-meaning government might go overboard -- that's why there's a Bill of Rights, that's why there's an Amendment process.  As to your 14th Amendment/treason point, I take that to say "if you try it, don't lose."

      •  Don't worry, (1+ / 0-)
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        we won't.

        "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now." -B. Dylan

        by S F Hippie on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:35:19 AM PST

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      •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)
        that's why there's a Bill of Rights, that's why there's an Amendment process.
        The founders also provided a third branch of government called the judicial branch that determines what constitutes "going overboard".  

        It is ridiculous to think that these men, who painstakingly created a framework in which they tried to imagine all foreseeable failures in a democratic government and prevent them within the structure itself, would also say in that same document that, well, all of that stuff can go to hell if some people get together and decide that it's not working.

        It's ridiculous on its face.  If you think you need constitutional protection for an armed revolt, then I don't think you need an armed revolt.  If our government really, truly, ever gets that bad then we can basically fuck the constitution.

        "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

        by La Gitane on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 10:29:01 AM PST

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