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  •  Nancy Lanza wasn't a victim (4+ / 0-)
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    lotusmaglite, Rick Aucoin, kenboy, pengiep

    I blame her as much as I blame her son.  She failed on 3 counts:

    1.  She had no trigger locks or other devices to protect the guns from falling into the wrong hands.  My father had trigger locks AND kept his guns in a locked cabinet.

    2.  From what you've reported about the attempt to commit Adam to a facility--she knew she had a serious risk and didn't remove guns from the situation.  I'm sure she had friends she could have left her weapons with, while she dealt with her son's mental illness.  

    3.  Even if she didn't do anything about the above 2 items, she could have seperated the bullets from the guns.

    No, negligence doesn't make her a victim.  She's as guity in my book as her son.  Cross off 27 and put back 26.

    •  I disagree. (2+ / 0-)
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      Catte Nappe, SwedishJewfish

      Nancy Lanza, by all reports, knew there was something wrong with her son, and however painful it must have been, she was taking steps to get him help and keep him from harming others. Maybe he found out she was trying to commit him, and that's what triggered the attack. Or maybe he just exploded before she could get him committed. We'll never know. But she was no more negligent than a great, great many.

      For me, it's 27, and we'll just have to disagree on that.

      The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

      by lotusmaglite on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:10:37 PM PST

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      •  She may have had locks. He may have found keys (1+ / 0-)
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        or figured out combinations.  Or he may have just busted open locks with household tools. Or perhap she forgot to lock them all up this one time.  Clearly whatever she had been doing wasn't enough to stop a determined teenager that day.  

        Nothing in the news stories ever mentioned trigger locks or a locking gun cabinet or gun case, so even if there were locks it may be possible the topic of gun locks was not something reporters included in stories or which police reports mentioned.  If he had managed to bust into a sturdy gun safe, that might have been news.

        If his own mother couldn't stop him, apparently trying to do so unto death, he was obviously quite determined to do what he intended to do and didn't care who got in his way.  Locks or not, he was on a rampage and no one but himself could stop him as he killed his mom, broke into the school and burned though over 100 bullets methodically killing 26 more and finally himself.

        The temptation is to say he was out of control crazy, but that effort took real focus and unswerving determination. There can be a sort of 'clarity' to the worst of inhumane madness, a willingness to totally disregard the empathetic parts of the brain, to disregard the pain being caused, to disregard the tragic implications to the couple dozen families, to the whole school, the city, state and nation, and world.  And unless Congress manages to pass some meaningful gun regulations, the world will have reasons to regard the USA as having a malignant social problem with our fetish for high-capacity tactical weaponry, one that threatens the social order and true liberty.

        I'm not sure what mental/emotional, ethical decision-making or behavioral sciences support can be provided via any tweaks to the ACA, but clearly this goes beyond tweaking. Identifying those with the potential to go on a killing spree and getting them help or into some form of detention would be a big project and require major law changes and program creation, and whatever we can do to prevent such mass killers probably needs to begin in our schools, families, churches, social organizations.  


        For the immediate need, it is simplest to legally restrict the accessibility to the high capacity magazines and guns whose primary design is killing multiple people, rather than hunting or self-defense.
        (I've hunted and have gone target shooting since age 12 and live near active packs of coyotes, so there's a wide range of guns I'm not going to say needs to be banned in general.  I'm also going to say with over 90% of Americans living in urban areas, the need to have weapons sure isn't like 70 years ago when closer to 90% of us lived on farms or country towns and predators were more common and law enforcement was slow to respond and hunting for food was an important option to have.  Others can articulate well why a prospective home-defender might want to prefer a shotgun or revolver over a .233 tactical rifle or 9mm semi-auto pistol, but I'll not try here.  Others can also articulate why bringing any gun into the home mostly increases the odds that someone in the family or a friend will be hurt because of it, either by accident or on purpose, rather than an actual intruder, especially if not properly locked up and stored.)

        When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

        by antirove on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 11:00:03 AM PST

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    •  No one deserves to be murdered, and for that (2+ / 0-)
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      Mark Mywurtz, lotusmaglite

      reason I count Nancy Lanza as a victim.  I don't know if the facts have been made public regarding what efforts she did or didn't make to keep her guns safe.  I suspect that she could have done more to take the guns out of the equation, as you suggest.  If only one thing comes out of this situation, I would hope for more awareness about the need to keep guns secure if you are going to have them around.  Personally, I do not know how it would be possible to keep guns securely in a home if the household contains someone who is disturbed, suicidal, or enraged for some reason.  And, in these troubled times, how many of us can say that we don't know anyone who might go over the edge?  I try not to blame Nancy Lanza, because she evidently was trying to get help for her son--but I also feel sick when I think that she inadvertently provided the means for her son to do what he did.

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