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  •  absolutely, but when did Amerika ever (3+ / 0-)
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    Ray Pensador, a2nite, lyvwyr101

    do anything rational, at least since 1945?  Even on this progressive blog you wouldn't believe the resistance when I've even suggested very strict standards at least as to who could have guns.  But the best would be none at all.  Then no one could justify having one to protect themselves from someone else who has one.  Hunting?  Prehistoric...no one needs it for food, as for sport it's pretty morally indefensible.  But karma will take care that - anyone shooting at animals will find themselves at the other end of that gun somewhere in their journey through the multiverse.
    That said, my sister in Montana posted a picture of her new gun on her Facebook page.  Go figure.

    •  Hunting is important (4+ / 0-)

      for the control of certain animal populations. I think that sport hunting is often silly (like killing bears), but here in the northeast, the deer population is in deep trouble from over population. Unless we introduce wolves back into the ecosystem, hunting is pretty necessary.

      Hunters should be encouraged, however, to stop going for antler wracks (which is actually causing selection toward smaller and smaller antlers) and shoot both males and females for meat.

      •  deer overpopulation takes care of itself (1+ / 1-)
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        lyvwyr101
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        chmood

        as in starvation, n'est ce pas?  It do not take subhumans with guns to right the ecosystem, do it?

        •  No, it doesn't (2+ / 0-)
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          richardvjohnson, pistolSO

          Excess deer leads to environmental degradation, as they strip trees of bark and consume resources that other animals would eat. Also more modern problems arise, like more deer-car accidents, more tick fever, more damage to gardens and farms.

          Plus a starving deer is more miserable than a healthy deer.

          I don't know if you are a vegetarian or vegan -- which would argue for letting them starve. But for anyone who is an omnivore, it is an attractive option that this "free meat" is harvested for the benefit of both humans and the health of the national deer herd itself.

          •  well I would say there are more humane (1+ / 0-)
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            ways to reduce deer overpopulation...as in reintroduce their natural predators, or barring that, euthanize them painlessly...aka being shot is probably not a good way to leave the planet ;)

            •  Being mauled to death by a predator.... (0+ / 0-)

              is "more humane"?

              That's certainly.... debateable.

              •  that's the way of Mother Earth... (0+ / 0-)

                dare we question?  I've not personally experienced death by gunshot wounds...but personally I would prefer to be mauled and eaten by predators to being shot and killed by jumped-up monkeys (us poor helpless but for technology heirs of all primates)

              •  I was thinking the same thing (0+ / 0-)

                If it's a choice between being torn apart alive by wolves, starving to death over several winter months, or a clean hunter shot, I'm pretty sure the latter is the least unpleasant. Hopefully, more hunters will adopt the ethics of the single clean shot, rather than the shoot em up ethic that seems to prevail with assault weapon hunters.

        •  HR for "subhumans" - SHAME on you! (0+ / 0-)

          Dick Cheney: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
          Mitch McConnell: "There's no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue"

          by chmood on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:26:19 AM PST

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    •  Wow. Talk about a moral high-horse. (5+ / 0-)
      Hunting?  Prehistoric...no one needs it for food, as for sport it's pretty morally indefensible.
      Of course... because you don't see a use for it and because you don't think anyone needs it for food, it's "morally indefensible." And because your version of morality is so self-evidently and inherently superior to all others' versions, you are completely within your rights to impose your morality upon everyone else, regardless of what they want.

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 09:12:40 AM PST

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      •  no shit (3+ / 0-)

        as if everyone eating factory farmed meat served in styrofoam packages and shot full of antibiotics taken from animals that lived short, humiliating lives in totally unnatural environments will certainly address the problem of people killing each other over stupid shit or over nothing at all.

        yeah, that's the answer!

        either that or maybe we could all eat nothing but vegetables or become breatharians until we turn ethereal and become one with the universe.

        there's some real friggin' wizards around here lately, isn't there?

        Granny Storm Crow's MMJ Reference List-686 pages of hyperlinks in PDF format Yesterday's history, tomorrow's a mystery. Today is a gift and that's why it's called "The Present".

        by elkhunter on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 09:50:54 AM PST

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        •  I eat only plants and sea-animals which do not (1+ / 0-)
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          lyvwyr101

          enough common ancestry for me to empathize with them...
          I would be a total vegan but for the need for protein, not to be met with red beans and rice...

          •  That's nice for you. (2+ / 0-)
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            richardvjohnson, PavePusher

            You've made a choice that works for you, based on your moral values.

            It's the next step you take in your original comment that is the problem. What makes you think you have the right to impose your choices and your moral values upon the whole of society?

            "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

            by JamesGG on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 01:49:28 PM PST

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            •  I do not try to impose moral values (1+ / 0-)
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              lyvwyr101

              on the immoral, only that I hope they don't shoot me with their allegedly legal firearms ;)

              •  And yet, you want to ban... (1+ / 0-)
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                PavePusher

                ...all private firearms ownership, including for hunting, because you see it as "morally indefensible" and don't see the need for it.

                Those who do hunt for food (or to protect their food, like those who keep guns to shoot coyotes or varmints who threaten their flocks or stores) are invisible to you, so you seek to impose your own opposition to hunting for sport as "morally indefensible" upon everyone by banning the firearms they use.

                So you are, in fact, advocating to impose your moral values on others.

                "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

                by JamesGG on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:49:59 PM PST

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                •  now honestly how many people do you personally (1+ / 0-)
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                  lyvwyr101

                  know who shoot varmints to protect their flocks?  Desusional, yes?  Anyway, adios, vaya con Dios!

                  •  Read a few threads on this topic... (1+ / 0-)
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                    PavePusher

                    ...and you'll inevitably see responses from people who live in rural areas, who keep goats, chickens, or other livestock and who keep a gun around in case a coyote or other predator comes calling.

                    The fact that you are incapable of even envisioning a situation where one might want a firearm to hunt nuisance animals or predators, as if such a situation is completely unthinkable in your view of the country and those who believe such situations actually exist are "delusional," indicates that you're really out of touch with the rural lifestyle of many Americans—and seeking to impose your own set of values on their lives without any consideration of their lifestyles.

                    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

                    by JamesGG on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:04:11 PM PST

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              •  Wow. That was a fucked up comment. n/t (0+ / 0-)
              •  Nice to meet you, M. Hypocrite.... (1+ / 0-)
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                Dick Cheney: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
                Mitch McConnell: "There's no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue"

                by chmood on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:31:19 AM PST

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          •  you admit you have insufficient 'moral value' then (1+ / 0-)
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            ER Doc

            ...at least by the "rules" you lay out here:  hand off if you're related, but the more distant the relation, the less compassion and empathy, and the decline of concern about how you treat them becomes completely valid.

            Morally speaking...exactly the kind of comfortable falsehood that stopped my vegan experiment.

            Dick Cheney: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
            Mitch McConnell: "There's no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue"

            by chmood on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:35:52 AM PST

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      •  moral high-horse, I admit to the charges... (1+ / 0-)
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        lyvwyr101

        what or whom have you ever killed, and how did you feel about  it when you did?  Splain, Lucy, splain...

        •  Your moral superiority allows you to ride horses? (1+ / 0-)
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          ER Doc

          Did you ASK THE HORSES?

          Would you listen if they said NO?  Or would you ignore them on the grounds of self-justification.

          Dick Cheney: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
          Mitch McConnell: "There's no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue"

          by chmood on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:37:51 AM PST

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    •  You need to read the recent diary on ignorance. (2+ / 0-)
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      theatre goon, richardvjohnson

      `'Cause you has it.

      •  oh really, ignorance of what, where, whom? (1+ / 0-)
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        lyvwyr101
        •  Well, that's game, set, and match (0+ / 0-)

          Pick a direction.  Start walking.  You will soon be knee-deep in your ignorance.

          The rest will be left as an exercise for those who feign ignorance of their own ignorance.  Happy landings!

          Dick Cheney: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
          Mitch McConnell: "There's no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue"

          by chmood on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:40:06 AM PST

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